Alternate Freddy vs. Jason ending [Spoilers]

[Villano]

Actually, as long as we're discussing what might/could/should have been, I think that there should have been part of the movie where Freddy manages to rip out Jason's heart (probably near that last fight, right after where he gouges out his eyes), but then is mesmerized by it, a la Jason Goes to Hell and eats it...that would either kill one or the other of them permanently...or fuse them into one!

Nooooo! The merged Freddy/Jason was actually in one of the unused scripts. A two-headed, four-armed guy hitting himself will haunt my nightmares forever! Think of Army Of Darkness when Ash begins to split into Bad Ash, except played "seriously".

According to the novel, Freddy had forgotten what he had said before.

LOL. Like that episode of MST3K with a Gamera movie. In it, Gamera fights the other monster for the whole film, only to use his fire breath at the end and kill it. When one of the Mysties asks why he just didn't do that at the beginning, someone else replies that he forgot he could.

From the director's standpoint, I can understand why it seemed like Jason spent most of the fights with Freddy getting his butt kicked. In the fight in the dream world, Freddy just has more experience, and imagination, both of which would be crucial in an environment where anything you can visualize can be. Only Jason's utterly indomitable will helped him there.

Likewise, in the fight in the real world, its less about rationale and more about simply how to keep the fight going. Jason can soak up damage like a sponge does water, so there's no problem with Freddy scoring hit after hit on him. On the other hand, Freddy, in the real world, has no particular resistance to being hurt (that we know of). Given Jason's titanic strength, one or two blows would be all that would be needed then to dismember Freddy utterly. Hence, the fights would have to have Jason missing more often then not.

I agree with what you said, but I was referring to some shots from the real world fight. I'm not sure they were in the deleted scenes now that I think about it. They may have been in some of the behind the scenes bits in one of the "making of" featurettes. One of the shots was Freddy kicking Jason in the groin. In the film, it, of course, has no effect and Jason tosses Freddy aside. As originally filmed, Freddy kicks him and it has no effect, but, instead of being grabbed by Jason, Freddy just mocks him.

There were a few more moments like that. Coupled with Freddy's (rightful) domination in the dream fight, Jason was pretty much a punching bag in the original fight.

There was no way Jason could have been Freddy's first victim though, either when he was alive or dead, since Freddy always killed his victims, and we already knew how Jason died.

Well, the idea was that Jason was Freddy first victim and either J got away or was killed (depending on the rewrite). One idea was that F was J's mom's boyfriend (and a budding serial killer). Another was that F was a camp councelor and he molested J. Both took place at Crystal Lake and ended with F either chasing J into the lake or dragging him out there to kill him. The camp councelor idea would have had F being just a teenager or in his early 20s, long before he moved to Springwood and "perfected" his methods (i.e., the claws).

It's a bit of a quibble to complain that it couldn't have happened since Freddy killed all his victim, especially since one of those scripts (the boyfriend one) totally axed Jason's entire continuity. It was actually a very, very well-written script (much better characters and dialogue that what made it to the screen), but it was a Nightmare film with Jason being a real, living killer and the Friday movies just being movies based on him. I felt that was pretty stupid since it basically said that dream demons exist, but zombies can't.

Boy would that be something, especially since he lived (and died) in 1300 AD.

Hey, time travel was the whole point of AoD. Ash either returns to the present or ends up in the far future by the end (depending on which ending you saw). So, having Bad Ash show up wouldn't be that big a deal. Heck, it doesn't even have to be the same Bad Ash. After all, all you need to make Bad Ash is Ash.

I can't bring myself to be too upset over this, since I'm not much of a fan of either film series.

I never cared about Hellraiser and I only like the 1st two Halloween films, but I'm a sucker for team-ups. Plus, Barker and Carpenter actually wanted to work with each other. With that pair, I think you would have had a very good film.

 

[Alzrius]

I agree with what you said, but I was referring to some shots from the real world fight. I'm not sure they were in the deleted scenes now that I think about it. They may have been in some of the behind the scenes bits in one of the "making of" featurettes. One of the shots was Freddy kicking Jason in the groin. In the film, it, of course, has no effect and Jason tosses Freddy aside. As originally filmed, Freddy kicks him and it has no effect, but, instead of being grabbed by Jason, Freddy just mocks him.

It's one of the many things the novel had. "No balls, eh, Voorhees?" right before Freddy was knocked away and used to go through those windows. My personal favorite was when, in the beginning of the real-world fight, Freddy is taunting Jason by saying something along the lines of, "Yer slow, yer stupid, and ya ain't got no style!"

Well, the idea was that Jason was Freddy first victim and either J got away or was killed (depending on the rewrite). One idea was that F was J's mom's boyfriend (and a budding serial killer). Another was that F was a camp councelor and he molested J. Both took place at Crystal Lake and ended with F either chasing J into the lake or dragging him out there to kill him. The camp councelor idea would have had F being just a teenager or in his early 20s, long before he moved to Springwood and "perfected" his methods (i.e., the claws).

It's a bit of a quibble to complain that it couldn't have happened since Freddy killed all his victim, especially since one of those scripts (the boyfriend one) totally axed Jason's entire continuity. It was actually a very, very well-written script (much better characters and dialogue that what made it to the screen), but it was a Nightmare film with Jason being a real, living killer and the Friday movies just being movies based on him. I felt that was pretty stupid since it basically said that dream demons exist, but zombies can't.

I'm actually pretty glad none of that made it to the screen. Retconning history to forge a prior relationship where none actually existed is the stuff that ruins a good series or two. As it is, the version we got already had enough plotholes in it that more would have been nothing short of atrocious.