Am I the only 3.0 grognard left?

As the sig says, Heretic of the 3.0 edition here. While I don't think 3.5 is bad per se, its not what was talked about leading up to it. About the only thing I find 100% offensive is the 'pokemount' - paladins are an important part of my campaign, and they're powerful holy mounted warriors. They don't summon squat. Otherwise, if someone new to the game wanted to pick up D&D I wouldn't hesitate to point them at the 3.5 books.

But personally, I don't see $90 worth of value in the books. I could spend that $90 on several other suppliments and RPGs, rather than have something that played pretty much the same as 3.0. And I've had no problem converting material - there's no real conversion to be done most of the time. I've used Complete Warrior and Draconomincon without trouble.

I really got turned off because I feel they were deceitful about the nature of the product. We were told that 3.5 was going to be all the errata cleaned up, some problem classes and spells fixed, and some new content. Instead there's just as much errata and errors for 3.5, every spell in the book was rewritten, other things were changed that I'd never seen a single complaint about (looking at you, weapon size and facing), and 3.0 player's handbooks were rendered useless at a 3.5 game. From the initial description I'd planned to buy the core myself and give my players a list of changes. Since WotC delivered something other than what they promised, that couldn't happen. Of course that was back when WotC still talked to us over here, so I don't see things getting better in the future. :(
 

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I know for a fact that there are a ton of people who continue to play OD&D, 1e, B/X D&D, 2e and 3e. They do so for a variety of reasons:

1. Like their game as is and don't care to change.
2. Don't think the conversion would be worth time, effort or money.
3. Have dropped out of the gaming community at large and don't know/care that a new edition has come out.
4. Some, all, or a portion of the above.

Play what you like and don't offer excuses for it.

And a 3e "grognard"... That's just silly. I guess the 3.5 "grognards" are the ones that refuse to use Ebarron and Unearthed Arcana...

R.A.
 

Well, my group and I have enjoyed the new edition. Different strokes and all that

Same here. I find the whole 3.0 vs 3.5 argument to be very tired and lame.

What annoys be even more are the people who are extremely vocal about playing 3.0 like they are on some sort of crusade. You play 3.0? Great, I don't. I think 3.5 is better in every way and completely worth the investment. I just feel that people who play 3.0 feel a need to tell everyone.
 

3.0? 3.5? **shrug**

I haven't bought the 3.5 books, mainly because my 3.0 books were still in good condition and the changes that I heard about, for the most part, did not seem that important for my group. I did download the SRD when it updated and ended up using the 3.5 Ranger. I never, ever used psionics, so the shift there made zero difference.

OTOH, I houseruled 3.0 so much that I could not really say that I play 3.0, 3.5, or "3.25" -- me and mine play "3.Wombat", always have, always will.

Most of the 3.5 changes seemed like a set of formalized houserules, but houserules in a direction we had no desire to go -- more minutiae regarding the "miniaturization" of combat. If those houserules work well for others, good on! If not, no problem -- stick with what feels comfortable.

But then again, the current campaign we are running is based primarily on AU, so we are out of the 3/3.5 loop altogether currently... ;)
 


Our two groups use 3.0, with some home rule stuff. As Buttercup (and many others) mentioned, there just hasn't been a move to update in our group. We all bought the original stuff, we're (mostly) happy with it, no need to re-buy a bunch of $30/$40 books.

Warrior Poet
 

Chainsaw Mage said:
Am I the only one who loves 3.0? Who prefers it, even? Seems there are more AD&D 1/2e die hards than 3.0...


hey don't forget us OD&D grognards.

OD&D(1974) is the only true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real thing. :D
 


MoogleEmpMog said:
The wonderful new DR rules have to be my favorite. Golf bag of weapons? More like "attacks are actually effective against creatures with DR, just less so."

Are there not DR rules in 3.0? And what exactly are the DR rules in 3.5?

(sorry, I should know this stuff, but I'm experiencing a brain freeze.)
 

diaglo said:
hey don't forget us OD&D grognards.

OD&D(1974) is the only true game. All the other editions are just poor imitations of the real thing. :D

Bah! The original Chainmail is the only real game!

What's this "role-playing" crap, anyway? :p
 

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