AMF vs. Globe of Invulnerability

[James McMurray]

If a spell is immune to Antimagic Field (because it is an instantaneous creation) is it also immune to Globes of Invulnerability? I would assume so, but would like some bakup, and preferably some rules lawyering.

 

[Thanee]

You mean a spell that creates something (like Wall of Stone), which has been cast earlier, and now someone covers the creation with an AMF/GOI?

Yeah, nothing happens to the creation, as long as it's nonmagical (which it normally is).

Bye
Thanee

 

[UltimaGabe]

If a spell is immune to Antimagic Field (because it is an instantaneous creation) is it also immune to Globes of Invulnerability? I would assume so, but would like some bakup, and preferably some rules lawyering.

Let's look at a couple of examples. A Fireball has an instantaneous duration. If you cast it, and cause damage to someone, regardless of where they go (such as into an antimagic field), that damage is always going to be there unless they get it healed, as it's an instantaneous effect. Same with Cure spells. The hit points don't go away, because it's an instantaneous effect.

Instantaneous effects aren't "immune" to anything- they simply happen, and then it's over. The EFFECTS of it are still there, but they're generally not magical effects, and therefore it doesn't matter whether or not they'd be affected by an antimagic field. Get my drift?

 

[James McMurray]

I know that Antimagic Field does that, and I'm pretty sure Globes do too. But with the new psionics rules making psions a bit more susceptible to globes, it'd be nice to be able to point to arule and say "see, my Crystal Shard ignores the globe because it is an instantaneous creation power."

 

[Thanee]

Actually, psions are in no way more susceptible to those than anyone else (they have plenty high level powers to use instead of the augmented low level ones).

But, anyways, AMF/GOI cannot be circumvented that way. At the time a spell effect is created, it's magic and therefore suppressed by both.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

Huh.

It looks like someone outside an AMF can cast Acid Splash at someone inside an AMF. But not Acid Arrow.

Cool.

-Hyp.

 

[Black Knight Irios]

It looks like someone outside an AMF can cast Acid Splash at someone inside an AMF. But not Acid Arrow.

What nonsense statement is that, no magic effect can enter an AMF unless stated otherwise, all magic which comes into the effect range of an AMF is surpressed, tell me how will some one pull that stunt?!? -With an Artifact Device you can shoot your Acid Splash at someone in an AMF, but that's an exception to the rule.

 

[Thanee]

Telekinesis might work, tho. Basically anything, that works indirectly.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Marshall]

What nonsense statement is that, no magic effect can enter an AMF unless stated otherwise, all magic which comes into the effect range of an AMF is surpressed, tell me how will some one pull that stunt?!?.

Its not magic anymore. Once the Acid Splash is cast, a missile of Acid is created that is then fired off at the target. As long as the caster is outside the AMF, the spell should work normally.

 

[James McMurray]

What Marshall said. The same holds true for Crystal Shard, except that it creates a razor sharp crystal and hurtles it at someone.

Thanee: Yes, psions can use higher level power choices to get around globes. But, if an otherwise respectable first level power can also get around globes, those higher level choices can be saved for utility and defense spells.

Of course, just being able to fire into an AMF is worth it for Crystal Shard to me. Circumventing globes is just an extra bennie (on top of the no save, no SR).