Pathfinder 1E An open letter to Paizo

[billd91]

I also don't allow alcohol or tobacco products in my house.

No beer? You, sir, are dead to me.

 

[SavageRobby]

Read all my posts. I know exactly what he is saying, and I completely disagree with his line of reasoning. As this is a discussion board that HE posted on initially, I can only assume he was inviting discussion on his opinion.

Sure, discussion. I guess calling someone a hypocrite counts as "discussion" in your lexicon.

Also, my friend, do you play in a game where their is no violence? If so, you and jonathan swift should game together. Any form of violent resolution to a conflict, unless undertaken by the police or armed forces, is almost always illegal. Sometimes it is illegal even WHEN carried under the pervue of the police or armed forces, but that is a discussion for a different board. So answer me this, how does D&D and most other RPG's NOT glorify something inherently illegal or wrong?

You didn't say "where there is no violence". You said "bad and evil". There is a large gap between the two, but you seem to equate them. Violence outright equaling evil is, at absolute best, a modern conceit, and even then I would disagree with that on purely philosophical grounds. Violence outright equaling evil in a fantasy world filled with intrinsically evil creatures - nasty, blood drinking, soul sucking-style evil creatures - I would wholeheartedly disagree with. And I think you're stretching a great deal to make your point.

 

[The Thayan Menace]

Finely-Diced Semantics

The original poster isn't advocating a boycott. He is stating that he, personally, will not support Paizo as long as this product is sold by them.

Then why post on ENworld?

-S.A.

 

[catsclaw227]

You skipped over the most important part of his argument, then. Alcohol is a much bigger killer than drugs, and is not only legal, it's subsidized. It is also prominently featured in every edition of D&D.

OK good point, but my stance on this is about a personal decision whether to do legal, illegal or dangerous things.

It's about a storefront regularily frequented by minors selling dolls that promote/satirize/emulate drug use. I just don't think that is right.

 

[crazy_monkey1956]

No beer? You, sir, are dead to me.

Yep, no beer. Personal reasons aside, I use the stance as a message to my kids that such things are harmful and if they want to try it, they will have to do so a) when it is legal for them to and b) when they can afford to with their own money.

I also make it quite clear to them that if they break the law in any fashion, not only will mom and dad not bail them out, we will turn them in if we are the ones to catch them.

 

[The Thayan Menace]

Pardon?

It's about a storefront regularily frequented by minors selling dolls that promote/satirize/emulate drug use. I just don't think that is right.

Have you ever been to a convenience store?

-Samir

 

[The Thayan Menace]

Yikes!

I also make it quite clear to them that if they break the law in any fashion, not only will mom and dad not bail them out, we will turn them in if we are the ones to catch them.

Are you serious? If so, that's very Barty Crouch of you.

-Samir

 

[Blood Jester]

The name and description of the doll are the big indicators here.

If your kids already know enough to associate "baked" primarily with drugs, this doll is certainly *not* going to teach them anything new.

As a matter of fact, if they are "sophisticated" enough to get the jokes in the ad copy, you have already long since "failed" to "protect" them from the evil "reality".


<Pre-emptive edit>
I had a lot more to say, but don't want to tap-dance on the edges of the board rules (or stomp them).

So I will just say, this is a silly complaint, about a ridiculous product.
If this is your biggest concern today...

 

[MrFilthyIke]

It is in the quiet acceptance that they sell an item that promotes a drug lifestyle that is an evil.

And it is that fervent, I'd say borderline fanatical-sounding, tone that makes me not want to side with you. Sorry.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Read all my posts. I know exactly what he is saying, and I completely disagree with his line of reasoning. As this is a discussion board that HE posted on initially, I can only assume he was inviting discussion on his opinion.

I think the main issue is that those er "in favor" of the doll are more trying to undermine his opinion rather than state their own. Saying you don't mind the doll (I personally find it just plane dumb, but can't really boycott Paizo since I don't by anything from them anyway) is different than saying he's wrong for minding it.

Also, my friend, do you play in a game where their is no violence? If so, you and jonathan swift should game together. Any form of violent resolution to a conflict, unless undertaken by the police or armed forces, is almost always illegal.

Not quite, especially given the circumstances of D&D. D&D codifies as a game the same material that epic's have all been composed of, so it is quite a different animal. Granted, that's just an opinion, but it's not a debatable opinion.

No matter what you say, you will never persuade the original poster that triviliazing drug use is alright.

Sometimes it is illegal even WHEN carried under the pervue of the police or armed forces, but that is a discussion for a different board. So answer me this, how does D&D and most other RPG's NOT glorify something inherently illegal or wrong?

TO use a video game comparison, are shooting aliens in Halo and randomly stealing a car and killing someone in GTA the same thing?