Andy Collins says Rangers can use virtual feats with Mithral Chain or a Breastplate

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"A 3.5 ranger can spend a proficiency slot to get Medium Armor Proficiency (or take a level in a class that grants it), and then can wear mithral chain mail or a mithral breastplate and gain full access to his "virtual" feats (thanks to the mithral description in the DMG that says "for purposes of ... other limitations").
Andy Collins
Senior Designer
Wizards of the Coast Roleplaying R&D"

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If I ranger can't use mithral armor without a feat, they should keep their armor proficiency.

I always thought they would be proficient in the mithral armor since it was light. Guess I was wrong...
 


I'd actually started thinking to myself whether or not a medium armor that counts as light (such as Mithral breastplate) could be worn with the light armor proficiency, specifically while considering the revised Ranger. It was always a "Well, duh" in regards to the fact that virtual feats that only work in light armor would work in Mithral breastplate - I find it mildly insulting that Andy thought it needed clarifying.

However, I also decided that, if the armor typically is medium, that even if it counts as light armor, it still doesn't count for the light armor proficiency. After all, while Mithral breastplate may weigh less than steel, and be more flexible, thus allowing for greater freedom of movement, it still buckles up the same, still covers the same areas of the body, and is still breastplate. As such, knowing how to properly wear leather, or a chain shirt, or whatever, without stumbling about in it, or improperly putting it on, doesn't cover the typically medium armor breastplate, even when it's considered light.

I do agree it kind of sucks that a ranger now needs to buy the medium armor proficiency just to wear a light Mithral breastplate, but this is what happens when everyone unreasonably whines about how they should just give the rangers the feats without restriction, in light of the fact that they were trained in medium armors. However, outside of favored class XP penalties, picking up a level of fighter or the like shouldn't be too big a deal, even with the buffing up the ranger received.
 


Trickstergod said:

I do agree it kind of sucks that a ranger now needs to buy the medium armor proficiency just to wear a light Mithral breastplate, but this is what happens when everyone unreasonably whines about how they should just give the rangers the feats without restriction, in light of the fact that they were trained in medium armors.

Although, they are still virtual feats despite the fact the ranger is now only proficient in light armor. I believe the perfect mechanic is now in place with no need for the "virtual" added to the feats. That is, the ranger will only want to fight in light armor now with two weapons or else suffer the TO HIT penalties. However the designers obviously felt this gave the rangers too much. Oh well,..house rule time.
 

That is, the ranger will only want to fight in light armor now with two weapons or else suffer the TO HIT penalties.
That's assuming the ranger isn't multiclassed with a class that gives medium and even heavy armor proficiency.
 

Not complaining - just observing the irony

3.0 Fighters take 1 level of Ranger for free Ambidexterity and TWF

3.5 Rangers take 1 level of Fighter for free Medium Armor Prof
 

If it acts light armor, it is light armor. I would allow light armor proficiency to cover it.

It acts as being lighter armor for the purposes of movement and other limitations, such as whether a barbarian can use their fast movement ability while wearing it. However, it remains a suit of whatever category of armor it started off as.

Mithril Full Plate lets you move as if you were wearing medium armor, lets you access abilities as if you were wearing medium armor, but if you don't have Armor Proficiency (Heavy) you still take the ACP as a penalty to all movement-related actions. It's lighter, letting you run faster, access more of your dex bonus, and lowers the acp, but it's still as restrictive to move in as other heavy armors. The peices of plate that keep your arms from moving a certain way, that just arn't present in lighter suits of armor, would still be there if the full plate were made of mithral or steel.
 


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