FrogReaver
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TOS weakens your argument, because any fule kno it was progressive as heck for the time
Fascinating - So being progressive for it's time is enough.
TOS weakens your argument, because any fule kno it was progressive as heck for the time
I think there's some muddled thinking here Snarf, that I'm slightly surprised to see from you!
Given the context in which it was said, I’m skeptical that Pooh’s quote really applies here.Well, if one were to believe A.A. Milne: doing nothing often leads to the very best of something.
To be honest, it doesn't. I watched Christopher Robin yesterday, and the quote's still stuck in my head.Given the context in which it was said, I’m skeptical that Pooh’s quote really applies here.![]()
Question, would these be appropriate arguments if you changed "Asian" to: "Mexican" or "African" or "Samoan" or "Gay" any other ethnicity / cultural identity. I personally don't think so.Argument 1
Why?
Because it is offensive.
To who?
A monetizing youtuber and some Asians
So not all Asians?
No, but they have been brought up to grin and bear it.
So their opinions on this matter are false or disinegenous?
Argument 2
Why?
Because it is offensive.
To who?
A monetizing youtuber and some Asians
So not all Asians?
Yes, but does it matter. It is deemed offensive and D&D needs to be inclusive.
Ok. How many people must be offended before something requires removal or ammendments?
EDIT:
Argument 3
Why?
Because it is cultural appropriation -a commercial power dymanic.
You do realise that the entire population of China ALONE far exceeds the sum of the populations of Europe, USA, Canada and Australia and that China is viewed as an economic powerhouse.
TOS weakens your argument, because any fule kno it was progressive as heck for the time
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I also can't help but notice all your examples are from the 1960s and earlier, whereas OA is from the mid 1980s.
Question, would these be appropriate arguments if you changed "Asian" to: "Mexican" or "African" or "Samoan" or "Gay" any other ethnicity / cultural identity. I personally don't think so.
I mean, even that's a little fraught. ninjas as they're typically depicted in Western media are sneaky assassins who sometimes use special tools and rely mostly on acrobatics to fight.
people make fun of Naruto, but that's actually a fairly typical (if not very stylized) example of how ninjas are depicted in Japanese media. the ninja you see in anime and manga are sneaky, but also have a heavy emphasis on magical abilities to fight and hide, and there's also a lot of specialized equipment that I'm not entirely sure gets shown in Western versions of ninjas.
it also doesn't help that ninja society was incredibly secretive and therefore we have little to no primary sources on their history.
So basically you are not allowed to use fantasy in a fantasy RPG (number 5).
And when only Asian humans are allowed to use Asian themed classes in game the next step will be that only real life ethnic Asians are allowed to play those Asian humans as someone else playing them would also be white washing/cultural approbation
Why should OA have a "5E successor" at all? I mean, serious question? That seems like a weird suggestion.
It seems like address the points the OP made would be much more valuable than trying to create an "unoffensive" version of something that's a dubious concept to start with.
I am arguing the way you phrased your arguments is questionable. You worded your arguments form the assumption that Asians are "others," with all the baggage that includes.Why would/do you say that?
Way to miss the point there... The point is that these concepts arise from specific cultural systems and you shouldn't strip them away. A Samurai isn't just a 'guy with a katana', he's a part of a specific system of governance. So an Elf culture can create samurai so long as they have an analog to the Japanese feudal system. What you can't do is just plop a Dwarf with a curved sword in a traditional Tolkien Mine and call him a 'samurai' just because.