Angel Finale

Banshee16 · May 20, 2004

Can someone please tell me what happened in the finale? I don't care if there's a spoiler warning or anything...

I was looking forward to seeing the ep, but for some reason, couldn't get it, which is rather disheartening..

Banshee

Green Knight · May 20, 2004

It really was what he wanted most of all, actually: to be reunited with the real Fred

Unfortunately that can never be. Fred's soul was completely destroyed.

That had to be the most upsetting part, though. Wesley's definitely one of my favorite characters of the whole Buffyverse, so it's sad to see him go.

Anyway, yes, it was a great finale. And yeah, I'm disappointed that the WB cancelled it. This was the only show I bothered watching on network tv, anymore, and now it's over. Didn't think I'd be, but I'm actually a bit depressed about it. It's given me several years of solid entertainment, and for it to end...

Not to mention that it and shows like it have completely spoiled me. I can't tolerate most of the garbage that passes for entertainment on network tv, anymore. So once Angel's gone, I doubt I'll find a replacement for it.

I honestly believe Spike would live through it all - he's the strongest after Angel, he was the least hurt it seemed, and when Angel signed away his claim to Shanshu, that meant (and the look on his face, he KNEW it) that Spike is the one who is supposed to "live until he dies." Beautiful moment, and beautiful ending.

I agree. He'll probably be the only one to walk out of that alleyway. Poor Gunn. No way he can survive that.

But I've heard that James Marsters is interested in continuing with the character, so that more then anything else leads me to believe that Spike'll survive it. Nevermind that, as you said, Angel signed away the Shanshu Prophecy. Which means that if both Angel and Spike died there, then yet ANOTHER vampire with a soul would have to appear, somewhere. Not likely, so Spike has to live.

Whatever the case, if there're any future shows in the Slayerverse, I'm there. Just hope some of the rumors I've heard pan out. :\

Green Knight · May 20, 2004

John Crichton said:
Read my first post...

Great minds and all dat...

Heh. Spike's "efulgent" poem was better received in this century then when he wrote it.

Eat your heart out, Cecily.

John Crichton · May 20, 2004

Green Knight said:
Heh. Spike's "efulgent" poem was better received in this century then when he wrote it. Eat your heart out, Cecily.

Well, that and it is a half-drunk badass delivering it now instead of a wussy British ponce...

stevelabny · May 20, 2004

best. finale. evar.

I'm so eloquent.

Tiberius · May 20, 2004

Green Knight said:
Unfortunately that can never be. Fred's soul was completely destroyed.

Well, this may or may not be true. On the one hand, Illyria was telling Wesley about being able to be with Fred while she was lying to him, but on the other it has been previously pointed out on this board that the only people who asserted that Fred's soul was "consumed in the fires of resurrection" were evil Illyria worshipers. While I can't see any reason why they should lie, they are not the most objective sources. I'm not sure we'll ever know the truth of the matter.

Great episode. Though my wife was irked by the fact that it didn't end on a clear final note, but rather left the fate of Angel's Avengers

)) in doubt. I was surprised by the casualties. I expected Gunn to be the one to die and Wes to be the one disillusioned with the good fight. After all, he's spent the past 6 years getting dumped on for trying to do the right thing. Still, it was cool, and a great end to a character whose journey was so long and eventful.

Tarrasque Wrangler · May 20, 2004

Good night, sweet Buffyverse, and may a flight of Trogdors sing thee to thy rest.

I'm a little choked up over here.

That was the most beautiful, action-packed, emotionally resonant, keep-me-on-the-edge-of-my-seat hour of television I've ever seen. Finales don't get any better than this. It amazed me, in the end, that Joss was able to cobble such an amazing series-ender from a midseason network notice that totally blew away the Buffy finale which was planned from the start of its season.

My favorite bit? Where do I begin, Joss outdid himself tonight: "I kinda wanna slay the dragon." "I want you, Lindsay." "I'd keep packing the truck. (or whatever it was she said. It was somthing good)" "Looks like you guys need a new candidate." "Can you guess which word of that sentence you shouldn't have said?" "No pendants, necklaces, amulets, etc.." "I crap better magic than that."

Well, as I bid a fond farewell to the Buffyverse I would like to take the opposite tack so many posters have taken here and THANK the WB and UPN for taking a chance on 12 seasons worth of the best television I've ever watched. I'd like to thank Joss Whedon for writing stories and characters that entertained, inspired and challenged me. And most of all, I'd like to thank my friend Justina, wherever she is tonight, for talking me into watching that goofy Vampire Slayer show 6 years ago.

John Crichton · May 20, 2004

Tarrasque Wrangler said:
Well, as I bid a fond farewell to the Buffyverse I would like to take the opposite tack so many posters have taken here and THANK the WB and UPN for taking a chance on 12 seasons worth of the best television I've ever watched. I'd like to thank Joss Whedon for writing stories and characters that entertained, inspired and challenged me. And most of all, I'd like to thank my friend Justina, wherever she is tonight, for talking me into watching that goofy Vampire Slayer show 6 years ago.

Again, great minds and all that. I'm right there with ya.

I don't think this is the end of the Buffyverse. Joss has to have something else up his sleeve. Alyson Hannigan's sitcom didn't get picked up, James Marsters has interested in playing Spike again and Nick Brendon isn't doing anything at the moment...

Tarrasque Wrangler · May 20, 2004

John Crichton said:
Again, great minds and all that. I'm right there with ya.

I don't think this is the end of the Buffyverse. Joss has to have something else up his sleeve. Alyson Hannigan's sitcom didn't get picked up, James Marsters has interested in playing Spike again and Nick Brendon isn't doing anything at the moment...

...hmm, and the Dark Shadows retread didn't get picked up either. I'd say there's a huge niche to fill...

LightPhoenix · May 20, 2004

John Crichton said:
I don't think this is the end of the Buffyverse. Joss has to have something else up his sleeve. Alyson Hannigan's sitcom didn't get picked up, James Marsters has interested in playing Spike again and Nick Brendon isn't doing anything at the moment...

Alright, I'm probably gonna take another unpopular side.

I really hope that Joss doesn't do anything more with the Buffyverse. Go out on a high note, use those creative muscles and try to do something truly different, like Firefly was, and move on.

To boot, look at JMS's most successful ventures after Babylon 5 - none of them are B5 related. Hell, the only good B5 movie was In The Beginning, and that was mostly a recap of the series. Crusade started to grow on me, but it was nothing compared to the original. On the other hand Jeremiah was great, if relatively unseen due to it being on Showtime. Not to mention his work in comics.

Oh, and a big old middle finger to Showtime, who really deserves it for not showing the last half of the second season of Jeremiah. I can forgive the WB for a cheesy thank you thingee even though they repeatedly pick up Charmed.