Another Immortals Handbook thread

[historian]

Hey U_K!

I'm enjoying this discussion regarding the xona-large creatures. By my reckoning Eternity is an overgrown First One (at least his standard incarnation). I was thinking it would be cool if First Ones had a special ability whereby they could, through siphoning the full content of what they represent, grow to the size of a dimension with a corresponding increase in hit dice. This would facilitate battles on a grand stage (imagine a xona-medium Zurvan taking on a xona-medium Limbus ).

Of course I appreciate that an outsider's hit dice, and therefore power, are not related to its size. I mean, no matter how large Aditi grows, Living Tribunal (at roughly 50' tall) will spank her.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K!

Hiya mate!

I'm enjoying this discussion regarding the xona-large creatures. By my reckoning Eternity is an overgrown First One (at least his standard incarnation).

Macro-Diminutive is probably big enough.

I was thinking it would be cool if First Ones had a special ability whereby they could, through siphoning the full content of what they represent, grow to the size of a dimension with a corresponding increase in hit dice. This would facilitate battles on a grand stage (imagine a xona-medium Zurvan taking on a xona-medium Limbus ).

I have an ability called Divine Immensity that lets you increase/decrease your size and it stacks.

Of course I appreciate that an outsider's hit dice, and therefore power, are not related to its size. I mean, no matter how large Aditi grows, Living Tribunal (at roughly 50' tall) will spank her.

Indeed.

 

[Farealmer3]

Yes but why would they manifest at that size, it doesn't make any sense! You can't really interact with anything at that size...at least nothing 'inside' the universe that is 'you'

They don't contain lifeforms(for the most part). But they don't interact with creatures anyway, they are too pure in they're alignment to know anything else.

Xona-Titanic is, for all intents and purposes Universe sized.

Yes sir and thats why i need a way to keep that size in 1 million HD. The alignment lords aside you'd be suprised how often my PC's gods grow to that size.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Farealmer3 matey!

They don't contain lifeforms (for the most part). But they don't interact with creatures anyway, they are too pure in they're alignment to know anything else.

If they don't interact, then whats the point of statting them?

Yes sir and thats why i need a way to keep that size in 1 million HD.

I'd probably need to know more about your PCs, at the moment I am just not sure as to the benefit of detailing creatures with 1 million HD.

The alignment lords aside you'd be suprised how often my PC's gods grow to that size.

Well, my own view is that size for its own sake is pointless, but the main thing is that you guys are having fun.

 

[historian]

Hey U_K!

Regarding Eternity:

Macro-Diminutive is probably big enough.

-- That's like a minimum of 262,144 HD. Of course, because he's an outsider it's possible that HD could outstrip size category, but that's a very respectable minimum.

I have an ability called Divine Immensity that lets you increase/decrease your size and it stacks.

I'm looking forward to seeing that one.

 

[Farealmer3]

If they don't interact, then whats the point of statting them?

Those are words that i never expected to hear from you.

I'd probably need to know more about your PCs, at the moment I am just not sure as to the benefit of detailing creatures with 1 million HD.

It is more for the NPC's than for my PC's. But keep in mind that the HD is 1 thousand on paper, it represents i million.

Well, my own view is that size for its own sake is pointless, but the main thing is that you guys are having fun.

Well i am going to be controlling that(it's getting a little out of hand). But the reason for my alignment lords is still stands.

 

[Amen-Zulu]

Artwork

Greetings,


I have followed this work from its beginnings. It is good to see that it is taking shape.

I wonder though, why no one has jumped on as an artist. I would imagine there are dozens of decent artists who would like to show their talents with such a creative work. I know they wouldn't get paid much, but the chance to put thier work out there would be advantageous.

Have you approached anyone from the fantasy art sites?

Someone could be working on that, freeing you up for Apothesis.

Peace

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K!

Hi historian mate!

Regarding Eternity:

-- That's like a minimum of 262,144 HD.

I don't think so, I think you are confusing Macro-Diminutive with Mega-Diminutive.

Of course, because he's an outsider it's possible that HD could outstrip size category, but that's a very respectable minimum.

Yes and good luck working out those feats to anyone contemplating using a 262,144 HD creatures.

I'm looking forward to seeing that one.

Its nothing special. Much more interesting Abilities than that.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya matey!

Those are words that i never expected to hear from you.

I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. I am not against statting beings of any measure of power, but if you are going to the trouble of statting it then make it practical.

It is more for the NPC's than for my PC's. But keep in mind that the HD is 1 thousand on paper, it represents i million.

Well there could be something to using the square root of the creatures Hit Dice for the manifestation of massive cosmic entities. Interesting...

Well i am going to be controlling that (it's getting a little out of hand). But the reason for my alignment lords is still stands.

D&D apes nature to a certain extent in the way that design and practicality go hand in hand. Thats why I think its important to link HD with Size and vice versa. Even Outsiders who are not determined by their physiognomy gain no net benefit from increasing their size beyond the typical size for that amount of Hit Dice.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Greetings,

Hey there Amen-Zulu!

I have followed this work from its beginnings. It is good to see that it is taking shape.

Thanks, any sloth is really my fault, but its slowly but surely coming together.

I wonder though, why no one has jumped on as an artist.

Well I guess I haven't widely publicised or advertised the issue.

There have been three or four inquiries, but none of them have panned out, which is unfortunate.

I would imagine there are dozens of decent artists who would like to show their talents with such a creative work.

Its possible, if anyone knows any I'd be happy to take a look at their work.

I know they wouldn't get paid much, but the chance to put thier work out there would be advantageous.

I could only afford to offer a percentage of the profits at this stage. Though presumably a publisher would also pay them for any art used in the printed version.

Have you approached anyone from the fantasy art sites?

Honestly, no. I sort of get the impression that anyone I approached, whose art I liked, would either already be employed or simply be too expensive. Maybe thats a misconception on my part?

Someone could be working on that, freeing you up for Apothesis.

Well exactly. Though at this stage Its almost certainly going to be all my art in the Bestiary. Hopefully at that point a publisher will take the art duties off my hands for future supplements, although I am sort of getting back to form with the art, so I may still dabble from time to time in the future.

Peace [/B]

Why thank you.