ANOTHER monster book??

Vrylakos · Sep 18, 2002

A-ha!

It's the Climb speed coupled with the Climb skill. Is that it? Have I solved your riddle, oh King of Monsters?

Thanks for the lesson! There are so many little things in the MM's first few pages, it's easy to miss some things.

Vrylakos

Dragongirl · Sep 18, 2002

Come on Grazzt the Implier, spill it!!!!!!!!

P.S. Pun intended.

Grazzt · Sep 18, 2002

Dragongirl said:
Come on Grazzt the Implier, spill it!!!!!!!!

P.S. Pun intended.

Still hung up on that "Impaler" stuff I see.

Grazzt · Sep 18, 2002

Vrylakos said:
A-ha!

It's the Climb speed coupled with the Climb skill. Is that it? Have I solved your riddle, oh King of Monsters?

Thanks for the lesson! There are so many little things in the MM's first few pages, it's easy to miss some things.

Vrylakos

Very good.

One/two more things in the above quote I did and you will graduate.

Dragongirl · Sep 18, 2002

hehe Sorry, thought of the world imply and could not resist.

Grazzt · Sep 18, 2002

Dragongirl said:
hehe Sorry, thought of the world imply and could not resist.

Yeppers- that was part of it. There are two more things.

EDIT: Well...you edited your post after I replied I see. Anyway- yeah, the Climbing thing was part of it.

There is still two other things I noticed.

Dragongirl · Sep 18, 2002

Grazzt said:
EDIT: Well...you edited your post after I replied I see. Anyway- yeah, the Climbing thing was part of it.

Sorry, started to reply, got sidetracked by a naughty kitty, posted then saw you did answer him so edited my post.

Let's see...

"Small Vermin".... sounds right.
"Hit Dice: 1d8+2+3 (9 hp)"....d8 is right for vermin, +2 for having 14 Con, +3 for toughness feat, so sounds right.
"Speed: 20 ft., climb 20 ft." Seems that the climb speed should be lower than the normal speed, maybe a 30 ft/ climb 20 ft would be better.
"Abilities: Str 12, Dex 10, Con 14, Int —, Wis 10, Cha 1" .......Other than a Cha of 1, which I would make 2 to match other vermin, I don't see a problem.
"Skills: Climb +7, Hide +5 (+10 when attached to a dragon), Jump +6, Move Silently +7" .......Anyone with a climb speed has an automatic +8 bonus to climb skill, as pointed out before. If there is a problem with total number of skill points, I don't know. Never gotten the hang of it.

So, are the other 2 the climb speed not being lower than normal speed, and the Charisma thing?

TBoarder · Sep 18, 2002

Grazzt said:
Small Vermin (Host’s Subtype)
Hit Dice: 1d8+2+3 (9 hp)
Speed: 20 ft., climb 20 ft.

Abilities: Str 12, Dex 10, Con 14, Int —, Wis 10, Cha 1
Skills: Climb +7, Hide +5 (+10 when attached to a dragon), Jump +6, Move Silently +7

Hmm... this is tough. The type and subtype are obviously okay. Hit Dice and Hit Points...

Vermin don't get feats, so no toughness feat for the 3 extra hit points?

The ability scores seem okay. Int is a non-ability for Vermin. The only thing I can see as sorta problematic, in a really picky sorta way, is that there are 4 even numbered ability scores, when the default is usually 3 odd numbered scored and 3 even numbered ones.

Skills are a nightmare to figure out for Vermin though. The advancment table in the MM says that they get 10-12 skill points. Is that total, or per extra hit die? Reverse engineering the Vermin from the MM isn't helping me at all... A hint maybe?

Vrylakos · Sep 18, 2002

TBoarder said:
The ability scores seem okay. Int is a non-ability for Vermin. The only thing I can see as sorta problematic, in a really picky sorta way, is that there are 4 even numbered ability scores, when the default is usually 3 odd numbered scored and 3 even numbered ones.

Hm, I've never heard of this before. Is this stated somewhere in the MM or the How to Make a Monster article?

Vrylakos