Anyone else long for old days simplicity?

[adndgamer]

Originally posted by CRGreathouse

I take offense at that statement. I'm a 3E zelot, to be sure, but have neither a wish for conformity nor a "one-size-fits all mentality". I haven't resorted to name-calling in this thread or the many others like it.

Still, I do think Third Edition is vastly superior to previous editions in many ways. While there are *some* benefits to older versions, I find them few and far between in comparison to the benefits of the new system.

I guess it all depends on your definition of zealot. To me, zealot is not a term with good connotations. If you advocate 3e, but are willing to see that other systems have benefits to them, and may even be superior in some ways (ie, you do not claim that 3e is the end-all of gaming and that previous editions suck, etc), then you are not what I would call a zealot...more of an advocate or a follower of your preferred gaming system.

I don't really care for 3e all that much. Sure, it has some good things to it, the biggest being that it has brought more gamers about. However, I just find it too rules-heavy (mechanics are good...to a point) and cumbersome to enjoy playing without dropping out some things and leaving more to the dungeon master. 3e seems to make the DM less useful, and turns him more into a glorified module-reader than a referee.

Expressing your preferred gaming system is a good thing, but you should be prepared to back up your comments. It also helps if you don't limit your vision of things, and fail to see things because of either pride or anger.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Let me make this simple:

* Person A likes a game.

* Person B thinks that game sucks.

* That DOES NOT mean Person B thinks Person A sucks.

rounser, you are taking this personally, and it was never intended as personal. It's a game. If people like or don't like it, who cares? Is it worth insulting a bunch of people over? There is no connection between what I think of a game and what I think of a person who likes or dislikes that game. You've taken this into a personal arena, which is totally and completely inappropriate. Cool off.

 

[CRGreathouse]

(Emphasis mine)

Expressing your preferred gaming system is a good thing, but you should be prepared to back up your comments. It also helps if you don't limit your vision of things, and fail to see things because of either pride or anger.

I wish someone figured this out a page or two ago...

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Originally posted by CRGreathouse

Expressing your preferred gaming system is a good thing, but you should be prepared to back up your comments. It also helps if you don't limit your vision of things, and fail to see things because of either pride or anger.

Y'know, scolding people over their opinion is wrong, especially considering everyone here has expressed the why's and wherefore's of their opinions about this or that game somewhere on these boards at one time or another. People have expressed these reasons on this thread as well. I think all of us have done a reasonable job of saying what we like or dislike - read the whole thread. I don't think we have to regurgitate the same argument each page on the off chance someone dips into this on page 7 without reading the whole thing.

 

[CRGreathouse]

ColonelHardisson - are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

 

[ColonelHardisson]

I'm agreeing. I'm sorry I wasn't that clear. I got ahead of myself. I was basically backing up what you said that adndgamer quoted.

 

[adndgamer]

Y'know, scolding people over their opinion is wrong, especially considering everyone here has expressed the why's and wherefore's of their opinions about this or that game somewhere on these boards at one time or another. People have expressed these reasons on this thread as well. I think all of us have done a reasonable job of saying what we like or dislike - read the whole thread. I don't think we have to regurgitate the same argument each page on the off chance someone dips into this on page 7 without reading the whole thing.

Um. Did I just piss you off? I'm just wondering.. I'm suffering from a complete lack of sleep and have another 3-4 hours of homework ahead of me (leaving me with a grand total of 2 hours of sleep). If I did piss anybody off, can we call a truce and have a virtual beer or something? I'm too tired to deal with anything right now... *throws out a white cloth*

See you all tomorrow. *yawn* Have a good one! And enjoy the argument if it persists, though you'll all probably be happier if it just stops or goes away or something.. Anyways. later all..

 

[adndgamer]

I'm agreeing. I'm sorry I wasn't that clear. I got ahead of myself. I was basically backing up what you said that adndgamer quoted.

Oh. Cool. So you're not pissed at me? Goodnight guys.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Um. Did I just piss you off?

In part, yes. But not the majority part.

Look. This thread got personal over a trivial matter - what games we like or dislike. A roleplaying game is supposed to be a cerebral pursuit, and it irritates me greatly when people get personal over it. That kind of thing is what gets soccer riots started or gets police cars burned after a championship game; I thought we were better than that in RPGs.

Who the hell cares if, for example, I dislike a game? So what? I posted my opinion, just like many others, and have given reasons for those opinions. Rebuttal is cool, but when it gets personal...that's ridiculous. And I feel badly that I got sucked into it.

Let's all knock it off and continue the discussion like the rational adults we all would like to think we are, and leave out the insults.

 

[rounser]

Let me make this simple:

* Person A likes a game.

* Person B thinks that game sucks.

* That DOES NOT mean Person B thinks Person A sucks.

rounser, you are taking this personally, and it was never intended as personal. It's a game. If people like or don't like it, who cares? Is it worth insulting a bunch of people over? There is no connection between what I think of a game and what I think of a person who likes or dislikes that game. You've taken this into a personal arena, which is totally and completely inappropriate. Cool off.

I don't appreciate being patronised Col, even if you do think you're spokesperson for the voice of reason here. I'm not the only one getting personal here, and I think it remiss of you to suggest as such.

If you're going to preach, don't just do it towards me - it smacks of condemnation, and taking sides, and that would mean you'd have to leave the lofty perch you've taken here.