Anyone Else Tired of The Tyranny of Novelty?

[Hussar]

Even though I am pretty strongly anti-traditionalist, and have no love of nostalgia, I agree with most of this.

Tropes become tropes because they resonate. There is no reason not to use them.

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You really don't see the irony here?

 

[TheSword]

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You really don't see the irony here?

I don’t, can you elaborate?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

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You really don't see the irony here?

There isn’t any.

 

[Hussar]

Ok, now I'm a little frightened.

I assumed that @TheSword was making a joke at the rather obvious nature of my point. The fact that you've (@doctorbadwolf) actually don't see it is kinda scary. I'll be taking my leave now. Don't mind me. Just quietly tip toeing out the door. You have a good one now.

:wow:

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Ok, now I'm a little frightened.

I assumed that @TheSword was making a joke at the rather obvious nature of my point. The fact that you've (@doctorbadwolf) actually don't see it is kinda scary. I'll be taking my leave now. Don't mind me. Just quietly tip toeing out the door. You have a good one now.

:wow:

Bud, you really need to take a break or something, and stop trying to imply things about other posters.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I don’t, can you elaborate?

Yeah apparently I’m a scary person because I can see that there is no contradiction between not being a traditionalist and liking that media criticism seems to be dominated by the notion that anything that isn’t original and unique is inherently less creative.

like, there is objectively no conflict there.

But hey, not the first (or even 5th) time that poster has suggested some sort of negative thing about me on spurious basis.

 

[aramis erak]

There isn’t any.

Oh, yes there is, whether you intended it or not.

You've complained about the tyranny of novelty; nostalgia/conservativsm is the antithesis of novelty.
So you're complaining about both ends... That is ironic.

As for keeping the old tropes in new material
Using the same tropes without novel approaches has a couple names: reprint, rework, retroclone, plagiarism...
That last is less general, but often applies.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Oh, yes there is, whether you intended it or not.

You've complained about the tyranny of novelty; nostalgia/conservativsm is the antithesis of novelty.
So you're complaining about both ends... That is ironic.

As for keeping the old tropes in new material
Using the same tropes without novel approaches has a couple names: reprint, rework, retroclone, plagiarism...
That last is less general, but often applies.

Insofar as what I’m doing is “complaining”, I’ve complained about attitudes that treat a given end of the spectrum as inherently necessary to quality.

There is literally no contradiction there.

 

[The-Magic-Sword]

Could we maybe not attack OP for having nuanced views of tradition and novelty? Its starting to come across as manipulation more than argument.

 

[nevin]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if big movie studios and such would great broken up, and most IP get punted into public domain, hopefully forcing them to hire people who want to tell stories that haven't been told much in movies or tv shows.

However, outside of that, it seems impossible to ever discuss any art/content without it turning into a discussion of how new/original/novel the work is or isn't.

Like...I am fairly well versed in how we came to this. A lot of it is IP law, and another big chunk is simply the ever-growing ability for a story to survive in a specific form by a specific person for vastly longer than has ever been the case before, and be vastly more broadly distributed in that specific form than ever before, in an ever increasing buildup of stuff we can just rewatch, reread, listen to again, etc.

And so, because we are used to all art reaching toward the greatest possible state of novelty while still saying something familiar enough to resonate, it is nearly impossible to make something that is a straightforward retelling of a classic tale without receiving pretty harsh criticism, often of a type that seems to imply that the artist is a bad person for making "derivative" art. As if the works we are comparing a work to weren't literally just as derivative, just of stuff we have less direct knowledge of as the audience.

I'm not sure if there is any real purpose here, I just get frustrated by the attitude that greater novelty is inherently better and retelling classic stories is some sort of moral failure.

Yes. Im also tired of watchung movies where the entire world/universe is at stake. Its been done so much its not even exciting anymore. Its just normal.