Thunderhammer
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Anyone mind telling me where to look to figure out the ECL for a Large Half Orc Character, or if they happen to know it off hand, that would be even better.
Thanks.
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Anyone Help with: ECL Large Half-Orc
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jmucchiello
Hero
By the book? Treat him as an ogre. How did he get large?Thunderhammer said:
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Re: Re: Anyone Help with: ECL Large Half-Orc
The character grew abnormally, allowing him to become a large creature. No magic or anything, just natural growth, just a lot of it.
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jmucchiello said:
The character grew abnormally, allowing him to become a large creature. No magic or anything, just natural growth, just a lot of it.
Thunderhammer
Thunderhammer
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ECL Calculations Page:
This page has calculations on it, but the wording makes it hard to understand....
http://csserver.evansville.edu/~jc84/DD3/Monster_ECL.htm
"Calculate the average ability modifiers for each ability score, subtract 10 if the score is even, subtract 11 if the score is odd. (e.g. a score of 7 is 7 - 11 = -4, a score of 20 is 20 - 10 = +10.)"
Now is that the Ability Modifer, or the ability Score that they are subtracting 11/10 from?
This page has calculations on it, but the wording makes it hard to understand....
http://csserver.evansville.edu/~jc84/DD3/Monster_ECL.htm
"Calculate the average ability modifiers for each ability score, subtract 10 if the score is even, subtract 11 if the score is odd. (e.g. a score of 7 is 7 - 11 = -4, a score of 20 is 20 - 10 = +10.)"
Now is that the Ability Modifer, or the ability Score that they are subtracting 11/10 from?
BLACKDIRGE
Adventurer
Well, let's see..
A normal half orc has 1 hit die, +2 str, -2 Int, -2 Cha, when he goes to large size he will gain +8 Str, +4 Con, -2 Dex, +1 natural armor and reach. So that's a total of +10 to Str, +2 Dex, +4 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha and all the other goodies that being large gives you. Now an oger is pretty similar but has the advantage of 4 extra hit dice and better natural armor but has the disadvantage of a -4 to Int, -2 To Wis, and -4 to Cha. Dragon magazine places an ogre at ECL 8, your large half orc while not as potent as an ogre is still pretty tough, I would say he is a little weaker than a half dragon which is ECl 5, and would place him at ECL4.
Thats just a rough estimate, but I think its pretty fair with the huge stat boosts and reach.
Dirge
A normal half orc has 1 hit die, +2 str, -2 Int, -2 Cha, when he goes to large size he will gain +8 Str, +4 Con, -2 Dex, +1 natural armor and reach. So that's a total of +10 to Str, +2 Dex, +4 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha and all the other goodies that being large gives you. Now an oger is pretty similar but has the advantage of 4 extra hit dice and better natural armor but has the disadvantage of a -4 to Int, -2 To Wis, and -4 to Cha. Dragon magazine places an ogre at ECL 8, your large half orc while not as potent as an ogre is still pretty tough, I would say he is a little weaker than a half dragon which is ECl 5, and would place him at ECL4.
Thats just a rough estimate, but I think its pretty fair with the huge stat boosts and reach.
Dirge
Thunderhammer
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Crothian said:
The Half Orc just happens to be Large Size, the only benefit I gave him was the reach, no stat boosts (Other than Half Orc Normal Ones).
Desdichado
Hero
If all he gets is reach, then I wouldn't give him any ECL at all. The MM has, I believe, pretty good rules for what a size increase does to the stats -- if you ignore that, then you might as well not worry about ECLs. You might also want to check out the PDF WotC distributed of their monster making article in Dragon a while back -- some good rules for what size does in there as well. Also, d20 Modern has essentially the same rules, although it is (IMO) a clearer and better constructed presentation of those rules.
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