Anyone seen Kill Bill yet? [merged]
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jdavis
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A friend of mine collects those types of movies but he moved away a couple of years ago. He introduced me to a lot of these type of movies (and got me into anime too), I miss him because in a small town it's really hard to find this type of stuff (he'd drive 2 hours to buy a video). Do you have a web site address to order stuff?Tsyr said:
Black Omega
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Chiaki Kuriyama (Go Go Yubari) came to Tarentino's attention in the movie Battle Royale. I finally got a chance to watch that today. Very interesting. A bit to my surprise, her role in the movie is rather small and she doesn't play the psycho killer of the group, but she does an excellent job with the role.
The movie itself is rather strange. Japan is going downhill and a law is passed that evidently matches classfull of students against each other on a deserted island now and then. The sole surviving student is the only one allowed off. The why of this is never explained, which works for me. I'd rather no explaination and a chance to use my imagination then a bad explanation that just annoys me. In some places the movie reminds me of Evangelion, with it's general bleakness and the occasional use of blackscreen voice overs to make a philosophical point. An interesting movie, well worth a look.
The movie itself is rather strange. Japan is going downhill and a law is passed that evidently matches classfull of students against each other on a deserted island now and then. The sole surviving student is the only one allowed off. The why of this is never explained, which works for me. I'd rather no explaination and a chance to use my imagination then a bad explanation that just annoys me. In some places the movie reminds me of Evangelion, with it's general bleakness and the occasional use of blackscreen voice overs to make a philosophical point. An interesting movie, well worth a look.
reapersaurus
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Are you of the opinion that tCoMC was worse-off because of it?Joshua Dyal said:
I wholeheartedly disagree - CoMC was a wonderfully-scripted film, probably the best I've seen in over a decade.
The fact that the character was sympathetic is almost necessary to see him thru all the tortuous events that happen - he actually GREW thru the story, unlike so many other movies - the change from the book was welcome, and worked VERY, very well.
Similarly, the improvement over the book was when they
had the boy be the Count's son
kingpaul
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Just saw the movie last night. I could've sworn that Bill's face was in that one picture that showed the...Death Vipers (I think that's the name of the group).blackshirt5 said:
I thought the movie was interesting. The cinematography and music was downright outstanding...though I have to admit that I didn't associate with any of the characters, which I'm used to doing in movies. I'm going to see the 2nd movie to see how it wraps up.
Black Omega
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Actually, in the shot showing the Deadly Viper Assasinatin Squad you see Budd (Sidewinder) rather than Bill. Of Bill we've only seen his hand, sword and boots.
Unless that was him with the sharp katana and rings in the anime that killed O-Ren's daddy.
Unless that was him with the sharp katana and rings in the anime that killed O-Ren's daddy.
Lurks-no-More
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Saw Kill Bill on Monday.
I liked it; I liked it a lot.
It was horribly violent, but given the basic premise and who was directing it, that's a given. It was also over-the-top in many ways, but that, again, is just what it tries to be: an over-the-top revenge story.
The use of music was awesome, I found myself tapping my feet to the tune of the soundtrack at several places. The "Bang! Bang! My baby shot me down" tune at the beginning was just too appropriate...
Also, I loved the little things, like the swordholders on the Yakuza bikes and on the Air Okinawa plane, or the "Red Apple" cigarette ads. (BTW, this must be the most movie-referential movie ever...).
Final comment: Kill Bill is like an antimatter version of Charlie's Angels. Watching the two in succession would probably blow your brains out.
I liked it; I liked it a lot.
It was horribly violent, but given the basic premise and who was directing it, that's a given. It was also over-the-top in many ways, but that, again, is just what it tries to be: an over-the-top revenge story.
The use of music was awesome, I found myself tapping my feet to the tune of the soundtrack at several places. The "Bang! Bang! My baby shot me down" tune at the beginning was just too appropriate...
Also, I loved the little things, like the swordholders on the Yakuza bikes and on the Air Okinawa plane, or the "Red Apple" cigarette ads. (BTW, this must be the most movie-referential movie ever...).
Final comment: Kill Bill is like an antimatter version of Charlie's Angels. Watching the two in succession would probably blow your brains out.
shilsen
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reapersaurus said:
Ah, another opportunity to derail this thread in a literary direction
I enjoyed the movie but definitely thought it would have been better sticking with the book. Throwing in unnecessary swordfights and having (IIRC) Mercedes jump back into bed with Edmond at the first opportunity just didn't work for me. Also, remember that the Count does grow quite consistently in the book and does not end as the "revenge-obsessed bad guy" that Joshua Dyal mentions. He learns that he can't just mete out punishment without there being repercussions, and even though the bad guys all get it in the end, at the conclusion of the book he is left alone. Remember his apologetic letter ending the book? Mercedes leaving (in the book) with her son makes so much more sense than the happy ending (of the movie), considering the portrayal of the character and the historical period. As for making the boy be his son, I saw it coming a mile away and have one word for it - blech!
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Tanager
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Well, I saw it last night, went expecting to be disapointed, seeing as I think Tarantino is self worshipping dweeb. I was surprised by how much I actually enjoyed it. As for the violence and gore, I was expecting worse after all I'd read, was expecting more 'realism' but enjoyed the stylization more.
Now, that said, the standard Tarantino touches I could've lived without. Non sequential narrative has been done to death now, let it go already.
Music, for the most part, good and enjoyable, but still felt like the usual 'look at how retro cool and quirky I am' I've come to expect from Tarantino.
The upside, fabulous cinematography and art direction. I also think he did a great job of getting some stellar performances out of his cast. The dialogue between Uma and Lucy Liu was beautifully delivered, as was that of Vivica Fox (think I got her name right).
I also really appreciated hte fact that Uma actually looked like a real human being throughout most of the picture and wasn't overly prettyfied.
Looking forward to part 2.
Just my 1.44 cents worth
Now, that said, the standard Tarantino touches I could've lived without. Non sequential narrative has been done to death now, let it go already.
Music, for the most part, good and enjoyable, but still felt like the usual 'look at how retro cool and quirky I am' I've come to expect from Tarantino.
The upside, fabulous cinematography and art direction. I also think he did a great job of getting some stellar performances out of his cast. The dialogue between Uma and Lucy Liu was beautifully delivered, as was that of Vivica Fox (think I got her name right).
I also really appreciated hte fact that Uma actually looked like a real human being throughout most of the picture and wasn't overly prettyfied.
Looking forward to part 2.
Just my 1.44 cents worth
reapersaurus
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OK, I'll post my points about Kill Bill now.
Liked the movie (gave it a 7), but not anything like many people have. I think QT is quite overrated - he gets away with stuff that fanboys roast other movies for. (example : gee, the movie was DESIGNED to not work perfectly - that's an homage to the bad kung-fu movies of - STOP. just stop rationalizing, when you crucify other movies for less.)
Questions/observations:
a) How could The Bride's voice be heard over the din of the club when she said "we have unfinished business"? I'd assumed she took the house mic, but I couldn't see any evidence of that when they showed her behind Sophie.
b) What Chapters did they show in Vol. 1?
c) Showing the movie out of order this time was a mistake, IMO.
The dramatic tension in the story was destroyed, since we knew she would
. Bad move.
d) Her head would have been shaved when Daryl Hannah came in to kill her.
e) When she woke up in the hospital, I think she said "4 years!" - I don't think she knew that 4 years had passed, at the time, but maybe I missed it.
f) The blood was laughably ridiculous.
It's analogous to a (spoiler'ed for safety)
g) Why did he have to have her leave the hospital "13 hours later"? It would have worked just as well if it had been, say, 3 hours later, and they wouldn't have had the problem they did: that after 13 hours, the bodies and mess would have been found, and they would have searched for the guy's car in the parking lot by then.
Liked the movie (gave it a 7), but not anything like many people have. I think QT is quite overrated - he gets away with stuff that fanboys roast other movies for. (example : gee, the movie was DESIGNED to not work perfectly - that's an homage to the bad kung-fu movies of - STOP. just stop rationalizing, when you crucify other movies for less.)
Questions/observations:
a) How could The Bride's voice be heard over the din of the club when she said "we have unfinished business"? I'd assumed she took the house mic, but I couldn't see any evidence of that when they showed her behind Sophie.
b) What Chapters did they show in Vol. 1?
c) Showing the movie out of order this time was a mistake, IMO.
The dramatic tension in the story was destroyed, since we knew she would
kill O-Ren
d) Her head would have been shaved when Daryl Hannah came in to kill her.
e) When she woke up in the hospital, I think she said "4 years!" - I don't think she knew that 4 years had passed, at the time, but maybe I missed it.
f) The blood was laughably ridiculous.
It's analogous to a (spoiler'ed for safety)
hentai director have a guy spew gallons of cum on a woman, it's that purile and undeserving of respect for the filmmaker. I doubt if anyone would jump to the defense of the hentai director, saying it was artful.
g) Why did he have to have her leave the hospital "13 hours later"? It would have worked just as well if it had been, say, 3 hours later, and they wouldn't have had the problem they did: that after 13 hours, the bodies and mess would have been found, and they would have searched for the guy's car in the parking lot by then.
