Anything wrong with this build (other than the DM said no)

[italianranma]

Why did your DM disallow it? Did you ask him about that?

It's a pretty funny story, me and the other DM (lets call him Jimmy) switch off games. I run a Thayian campaign where I have to deal with them being evil in addition to all the PCs being powerhouses in their own right: they all are over specialized, but together they make a great team. But get this, they play their evil characters so well that they don't mind handicapping eachother for their own benefit. For example, the cleric NEEDED to hurry and rush off somewhere but the wizard (Jimmy's Character) wouldn't go until he had rememorized a spell or two, and written a bunch of scrolls. Plus the cleric knew she couldn't do what she needed to without him. Long story short, she can't get new spells without atoning, and he ends up more powerful. It works though because I come from the school of DMing that you work so your players can have fun.

Anyway Jimmy and I were pretty cool with eachother until this one time when another friend of ours (Pete) wanted to do a PVP match. It was me and 2 very inexperianced players against Jimmy and his very experianced friend and another nearly newb. Jimmy devised what he thought was a fool-proof party, but I swept the floor with him. Since then Jimmy won't let anything I do fly in his games. There have been some pretty wild rules battles too: I had to spend 30 minutes one time convincing him that you could initiate a grapple as an attack of opportunity. Last game session I almost stormed out because he had two CR 6 Worgs (7-HD advanced large magical beasts) attack our level 4 ranger. The ranger's player did nothing wrong, apparently the two beast snuck up on him without there being any cover for at least 1000ft while he was mounted and searching for suitable cover for us to hide in. Plus He said that the ranger was 400 ft away from the rest of the party (except the ranger's player never said anthing like that, and as a rule we never split the party). He later said that perhaps he errored, and the ranger is back alive (in exchange that the worgs that we killed in revenge were too)

We're setting out the differences between ourselves, but there are still some problems. Mainly I know the rules much better, and can't help but rules lawyer (but I've really been working on this). Besides, I only came up with this build just to piss Jimmy off a little (and it worked!)

As far as character concept, think FF VII Cloud. Nuff said.

edit: I realized after I posted this that I didn't answer the question directly. Jimmy said that a bastard sword in and of it's own is the heaviest thing a person can wield one handed, and that no amount of training can let you do otherwise. But actually he said no before I even got past saying "I've got this new character concept..."

 

[Thanee]

Jimmy devised what he thought was a fool-proof party, but I swept the floor with him. Since then Jimmy won't let anything I do fly in his games.

We're setting out the differences between ourselves, but there are still some problems. Mainly I know the rules much better, and can't help but rules lawyer (but I've really been working on this). Besides, I only came up with this build just to piss Jimmy off a little (and it worked!)

edit: I realized after I posted this that I didn't answer the question directly. Jimmy said that a bastard sword in and of it's own is the heaviest thing a person can wield one handed, and that no amount of training can let you do otherwise. But actually he said no before I even got past saying "I've got this new character concept..."

Well, there's your problem! And, given that what you say is right (it's just one side), it's mutual.

I can only suggest you talk to "Jimmy" and tell him how this behaviour of BOTH of you just ruins the fun for everyone, you, him, the others. There is really no need to show who's better in the game or whatever.

You'll have to cut down and not try to outsmart him all the time, while he would have to make more reasonable decisions as a DM.

In fact, I think it would be best, if someone else, neither you nor him would DM for a while (if that is an option).

As far as character concept, think FF VII Cloud. Nuff said.

Well, I don't know Final Fantasy at all (except for the extremely crappy movie ).

Bye
Thanee

 

[italianranma]

That essential what happened. I promised him I wouldn't pull out the rulebook in game again, but on the flip side I also told him that whenever he makes up a new house rule on the spot I'm going to write it down and we'll all play by that rule. And someone else did DM for awhile, so we're gaming again tomorrow and hopefully it'll all work out.

 

[Judas]

As far as character concept, think FF VII Cloud. Nuff said.

Well, as I read your description, that's exactly what I was picturing in my head!

Unfortunately, it sounds like there may be enough "damage" between you two that a solid friendship may not hold. Do you guys go and do anything as friends outside of DnD?

 

[italianranma]

Unfortunately, it sounds like there may be enough "damage" between you two that a solid friendship may not hold. Do you guys go and do anything as friends outside of DnD?

I wanna thank all you guys in the community for trying to help solve this problem we've been having. I think I may have mislead you a little bit though, Jimmy and I have been having problems for awhile, and we're used to it. It's part of the fun really. I just like to complain every now and then. As far as us being friends, we share a lot of common interests, but in different ways: ei: we're about to start up a world of warcraft group with most of the people in the DnD group, to Jimmy, it's all about the RPing on a MMORPG, to me its all about the PVP combat. So we compromise.

I really just posted this build to make sure that my understanding of the rules is right. Jimmy's take on it is that he knows that the DnD rules are abstract and that there are many loopholes you can work through. He does the same thing to me in my games. I usually stop what he does by envoking different rules, or by comparing what rules apply to other spells/effects and using them as my guide much like the community here does. He has a much better feel for the story, and when he says no it's because he thinks it doesn't feel right. It can be frustrating because we come from two different schools of thought, but in reality it's another aspect of what's fun in our group. Like two old men in the park playing chess, we glare at eachother and mutter under our breathe, but we wouldn't ever stop coming to eachothers games. The biggest problem I had with him so far (killing off the ranger) he corrected on his own and (in a not very direct sort of way) admitted he was wrong. The others at the table recognize the dynamic and we all share jokes about Jimmy being a "DM Nazi" and me memorizing the rule books. They'll even ask me what page is the table for... when I don't really know. So yeah, thanks for all your help so far, and hopefully some of you will use this little combo in your games (I know that in mine Jimmy's going to find himself on the wrong side of an Orge's Huge Platinum Bastard sword and tower shield very soon, heh heh heh).

edit: oh yeah, and Thanee, just type in FFVII Cloud on google and look at the pictures that pop up.

 

[dcollins]

Wow, did I lose interest in this thread fast.

 

[italianranma]

Wow, did I lose interest in this thread fast.

Well don't cry about it

 

[Sue Bloodbucket]

And guys, you don't have to make fun of something on these forums, just answer the question of whether or not it's permissable by 3.5 rules.

I am sorry Italian Ranma. I was realy thinking that you were making fun out of a loophole rather than actualy playing that build.

I as GM would certainly not allow this build altogether because it would appear to me as a maximise-combo rather than a nice charakterplay orientated selection of feats.
Just my twocent though...

Sue

 

[Piratecat]

A buddy of mine is eyeing the +1 ECL goliath race in Races of Stone. They have "powerful build," which means that other than a 10' reach they're treated as Large when it's advantageous for them. It's occurred to him that this means he can weild a large weapon in one hand or a huge weapon in two hands.

 

[Thanee]

...or two huge platinum bastard swords with Monkey Grip...



Bye
Thanee