Arcane Disciple and Warmage

[Votan]

Note that while you may actually learn these spells as a warmage or beguiler (or dread necro), you still can only cast them ONCE per day each.
So it is still fairly limited, apart from the Wis requirement.

Yep. The main advantage is to be able to expand capability.

A Beguiler with Slime actually has something to cast if Undead attack and can therefore contribute. A Warmage with Travel has a limited options to move around the battlefield.

But the weak DCs make are an issue and, coupled with the once per day limit, make this an enhancement and not a focus.

 

[rgard]

Wait... you don't get the domain ability along with the spells, do you!?

I'm under the impression that Arcane Disciple only places the domain spells on your class list, such that a wizard could then scribe them into his spellsbook, a warmage could cast them as any other warmage spell (but the feat needs to be taken at creation, because the warmage's spells are inherent knowledge from brain-washing-esque training at their college), and a sorcerer could take them as spells known, as per his normal rules.

The domain ABILITY, however, is only for clerics. Otherwise, yes, this feat would be quite a bit overpowered.

Yep, you don't get the domain ability with that specific feat. There is a sorcerer feat in the Dragon that gives the caster the domain ability, but limits the character to having only one of the domain spells available for casting each day.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Thanee]

When a class like the Warmage or Beguiler takes Arcane Disciple, they don't have to do anything else to be able to cast the new spells, right?

Correct. The spells are added to your class spell list and at that point you automatically know them all, since you know all spells from your class spell list.

The feat is quite alright in my experience. The fact, that you need Wisdom to cast the spells, and that you can only cast one of them per spell level per day, is enough of a limiter IMHO.

The Ranger|Warmage in my pnp campaign has Arcane Disciple with the Travel domain, which is certainly very useful, but has never been broken or anything.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Sejs]

When a class like the Warmage or Beguiler takes Arcane Disciple, they don't have to do anything else to be able to cast the new spells, right?

They still have to meet the wisdom requirements and they're still restricted to one spell of each level per day (all as noted in the feat), but otherwise, nope.

 

[VonRichthofen]

They still have to meet the wisdom requirements and they're still restricted to one spell of each level per day (all as noted in the feat), but otherwise, nope.

Third time's the charm...

 

[Legildur]

Apart from the class ability already available to Warmages (learn additional sor/wiz evocation spell every 3 levels), is there a feat to add other arcane spells to the known spell list? I'm particularly interested in learning some utility spells, but have a Wisdom of 8 (so Arcane Disciple obviously is not a solution)!

 

[FireLance]

Apart from the class ability already available to Warmages (learn additional sor/wiz evocation spell every 3 levels), is there a feat to add other arcane spells to the known spell list? I'm particularly interested in learning some utility spells, but have a Wisdom of 8 (so Arcane Disciple obviously is not a solution)!

Some DMs allow Extra Spell from Complete Arcane to work that way, although other DMs and the FAQ interpret it to only allow the learning of spells from the class spell list, which makes it rather pointless for a warmage.

PHB 2 also has an alternate class feature for the warmage that allows the learning of spells from other schools, but the spell is treated as 1 level higher (so dimension door would be a 5th-level spell, for example).

 

[Legildur]

Some DMs allow Extra Spell from Complete Arcane to work that way, although other DMs and the FAQ interpret it to only allow the learning of spells from the class spell list, which makes it rather pointless for a warmage.

PHB 2 also has an alternate class feature for the warmage that allows the learning of spells from other schools, but the spell is treated as 1 level higher (so dimension door would be a 5th-level spell, for example).

Thanks Firelance. I can't believe that I missed the PHBII solution!

 

[EyeontheMountain]

Thanks Firelance. I can't believe that I missed the PHBII solution!

That has to be the best alterante class ability in the PHBII.

 

[Votan]

That has to be the best alterante class ability in the PHBII.

I dunno -- the sorcerer metamagic thing is pretty nice as well.