Arcane Disciple - this can't be right!

[messy]

allo

in Complete Arcane, there is a feat called "arcane disciple." the feat seems (if i am reading it right) to allow an arcane caster to add spells from a single domain to his/her class spell list.

if this is correct, a sorcerer could choose the healing domain, and gain access to healing spells. this can't be right.

am i missing something?

messy

 

[Iku Rex]

am i missing something?

No. (?)

Note that said socerer will need four ranks of knowledge (religion) and a decent Wis, and he can only cast each spell once/day.

 

[messy]

No. (?)

Note that said socerer will need four ranks of knowledge (religion) and a decent Wis, and he can only cast each spell once/day.

good point. the required skill ranks are obtainable at level 5 (as knowledge [religion] is a cross-class skill), but i didn't realize that the spells can only be cast once each per day. must have missed that

messy

 

[Corsair]

And the sorcerer still has to spend known spells on them. They are added to the class list, not to known spells.

 

[Seeten]

Worse still, now the Sorcerer is expected to spend his time healing, instead of blasting, which is usually not the reason one plays a Sorcerer.

 

[messy]

And the sorcerer still has to spend known spells on them. They are added to the class list, not to known spells.

hmmm... this seems to contradict what Iku Rex said.

are the domain spells usable once per day each (as Iku Rex said) or just like other chosen spells (as Corsair's statement seems to imply)?



messy

 

[Caliban]

hmmm... this seems to contradict what Iku Rex said.

are the domain spells usable once per day each (as Iku Rex said) or just like other chosen spells (as Corsair's statement seems to imply)?



messy

Both. You have to spend one of your Known Spell slots to learn the domain spell, and you can only cast it once a day.

It's a pretty poor deal for sorcerers in general: it costs you 4 ranks of a cross-class skill, a feat, and one of your known spell slots to cast one spell once a day.

It's a better deal for wizards: it's not a cross class skill, they get more feats, and they can potentially add all the domain spells to their spell book and prepare each of them once a day.

It's a great deal for warmages and beguilers, since they automatically "know" all the spells on their class list when they reach the appropriate level.

 

[messy]

Both. You have to spend one of your Known Spell slots to learn the domain spell, and you can only cast it once a day.

It's a pretty poor deal for sorcerers in general: it costs you 4 ranks of a cross-class skill, a feat, and one of your known spell slots to cast one spell once a day.

It's a better deal for wizards: it's not a cross class skill, they get more feats, and they can potentially add all the domain spells to their spell book and prepare each of them once a day.

It's a great deal for warmages and beguilers, since they automatically "know" all the spells on their class list when they reach the appropriate level.

ahhh... now i see. thank you, caliban

still, it doesn't seem right to give sorcerers and wizards access to healing... i thought this was a big no-no in terms of class balance

messy

 

[WarDragon]

Keep in mind that the spells gained by the feat are powered, in all respects, by Wisdom instead of the class's normal casting stat.

 

[messy]

Keep in mind that the spells gained by the feat are powered, in all respects, by Wisdom instead of the class's normal casting stat.

so, if bob the sorcerer has a 16 wisdom and takes arcane disciple (healing), when he reaches level 12, he could cast CLW, CMW, CSW, CCW, Mass CLW, and Heal once each per day? this seems pretty powerful for a class that is not supposed to be able to heal.

messy