Prince of Happiness
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Joshua Dyal said:
Ugh, count me as another poor unfortunate as well. What was worse was that she was also fond of rose water. Rose water and cat piss. What grrrreeeeaaaaaat combo.
Are gamers really that pathetic?
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Ugh, count me as another poor unfortunate as well. What was worse was that she was also fond of rose water. Rose water and cat piss. What grrrreeeeaaaaaat combo.
Tinker Gnome
Adventurer
It saddens me to see such hate for those who are people too. Next time you run into a "Cat-piss man" why dont you try to talk to them and be nice. Sure he may not smell the greatest, but he may actaully be a very nice guy. If you actually make friends with him, then maybe you could eventually tell him to bathe cause it bothers you and the people around him as well. Being nice and polite helps a lot. 
Incenjucar
Legend
The trick with any altruistic act is to the weigh the total benefit.
While it's nice for someone who has tons of time on their hands and is in no possible danger of detrimenting their own life to go and try to rehibilitate someone, someone who has a busy life and only so much leeway does better to lead by example instead.
I, myself, used to be rather shut-in (I'm basically an anti-social person trying to force his way through recovery, and, thankfully, succeeding by leaps and bounds), and I can see it in others very easily (they tend to look down at the ground wherever they go, and stand apart from the crowd at all times -- a habit which I still have a bit of, admittedly). I would love to help them move on with their lives like I have, but, trick is, I have my own life to keep improving. I'm nowhere near my 'maximum possible happiness' state, so I've really got better things to do than to try and force happiness on someone else.
While it's nice for someone who has tons of time on their hands and is in no possible danger of detrimenting their own life to go and try to rehibilitate someone, someone who has a busy life and only so much leeway does better to lead by example instead.
I, myself, used to be rather shut-in (I'm basically an anti-social person trying to force his way through recovery, and, thankfully, succeeding by leaps and bounds), and I can see it in others very easily (they tend to look down at the ground wherever they go, and stand apart from the crowd at all times -- a habit which I still have a bit of, admittedly). I would love to help them move on with their lives like I have, but, trick is, I have my own life to keep improving. I'm nowhere near my 'maximum possible happiness' state, so I've really got better things to do than to try and force happiness on someone else.
I disagree with you, Galeros. I think that people whose hygiene is bad enough to affect their relationship with other people show a lack of respect for those around them. I don't care what they look like or what their likes and dislikes are; if they interact with people to their detriment, I will let them know in no uncertain terms that their conduct is unacceptable. Whether they are nice people or not is immaterial; you can love a child yet still admonish him or her for bad behaviour.
Dr. Strangemonkey
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[/QUOTE]Joshua Dyal said:
Hmm, I would say that there is a unique aspect to a gaming store, and to gaming in general, in that it is an involved, small group, casual activity.
And I think that makes the situation a little more delicate. Certainly, flirting can be acceptable in any number of situations, but I think it certainly needs to be handled far more discreetely in a situation like a gaming store, or library, than it does in, say, a bar.
For similar reasons, I prefer a card or board game up front, trying to talk around or to someone actively in character feels a little bit like interrupting a play.
Certainly, it's not a problem if it's both up front and out of the way, but at my local FGS I often have to talk over a group when I'm trying to talk to the clerk, or even respond to his greetings, and it feels unnecessarily rude.
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Shining Dragon
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Galeros said:It saddens me to see such hate for those who are people too. Next time you run into a "Cat-piss man" why dont you try to talk to them and be nice. Sure he may not smell the greatest, but he may actaully be a very nice guy. If you actually make friends with him, then maybe you could eventually tell him to bathe cause it bothers you and the people around him as well. Being nice and polite helps a lot.
Hate? Disgust maybe, but not hate.
Entering the fray LATE! (BTW: that page 1 line about goats & kibble...LOL!) And I loved that Retail: The Wrath of Cat Piss Man article.
I have to agree- there are fringe types in any hobby. But we seem to have an inordinately visible (smellable?) bunch in ours.
Personally, having learned from past experience, I no longer play with the radically socially maladroit gamers out there unless I think I can be a positive force in mainstreaming them.
I can find a new game group more easily than I can reconstruct my public or even private image.
Aesop's Fable of the stork and the crows is famous for the aphorism : "You are known by the company you keep." And I simply refuse to be tarred by the same brush as these guys and girls who won't/don't/can't conform to civilized behavior.
Thus, I will no longer game with those RPG hobbyists who (and these are all from past experience):
1) don't bathe regularly. (Hey-you show up to game night sweaty from working as a house contractor in the hot Texas sun, that's one thing- but there's NO EXCUSE for similar odious scentage on a regular, repeated basis from someone who works a white-collar job in an air-conditioned room.)
P.S.: wearing a freaking PARKA (no, I'm not exagerating) in Texas in July won't help your B.O. either.
2) pick their noses with their fingers up to the last knuckle joint and flick the resultant produce across the table...especially WHILE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE! (Not my house, thank God, but the host was incredibly patient!)
3) insist on wearing TV/Movie/ancient culture costumes to special occasions/official functions as if they were suits or military uniforms. THEY AREN'T. And, despite the brilliant recreation of a Samurai's garb, you are a teenaged white guy in Texas, not an actual Samurai, so removing your REPLICA Katana from its scabbard does NOT mean you have to draw blood- if you honestly think it does and you keep saying that, you'll be under arrest VERY soon, if only for a 24-hour psych evaluation.
4) run "deviant" campaigns. As in, its OK to run a "villain" campaign, but when every PC/Player wallows in graphic detail of, say, "Hannibal Lecter-esque" behavior every session, for months on end...that bespeaks not roleplay, but disturbed individuals. I'm sorry- I don't wan't any part of a campaign in which the "torture/kill-ressurect-repeat" tactic is the favored way of getting your XP.
5) don't realize that its BORING when they tell you of their screenplay/fanfic/favorite PC's life-history, line-by-line. For HOURS. Every time we talk. Regardless of the general flow of conversation. RPGs and related hobbies are (for me, at least) a hobby, NOT a religion and NOT a way of life.
6) exhibit any other behavior that just generally creeps me out. Hitting on the underaged definitely qualifies. Regardless of sex or orientation. That's not social, that's criminal. So is illicit drug use.
Now, I'm no Vin Diesel, but I can walk into a room without causing stares...unless I wander into a KKK rally. And I KNOW there are lots of good, relatively normal gamers out there who don't fit into any of the above groups- I game with 2 such groups right now. Those listed above were all exceptions...but they were EXCEPTIONAL exceptions, to be sure, who will be forever etched into my mind until senility sets in.
So, if you want to game with CPM, knock yourself out. You won't, however, find me at your table.
On the flip side, most of these poor people are beyond help, so your or my lack of approval won't do much to help OR hinder them. They are what they are.
I have to agree- there are fringe types in any hobby. But we seem to have an inordinately visible (smellable?) bunch in ours.
Personally, having learned from past experience, I no longer play with the radically socially maladroit gamers out there unless I think I can be a positive force in mainstreaming them.
I can find a new game group more easily than I can reconstruct my public or even private image.
Aesop's Fable of the stork and the crows is famous for the aphorism : "You are known by the company you keep." And I simply refuse to be tarred by the same brush as these guys and girls who won't/don't/can't conform to civilized behavior.
Thus, I will no longer game with those RPG hobbyists who (and these are all from past experience):
1) don't bathe regularly. (Hey-you show up to game night sweaty from working as a house contractor in the hot Texas sun, that's one thing- but there's NO EXCUSE for similar odious scentage on a regular, repeated basis from someone who works a white-collar job in an air-conditioned room.)
P.S.: wearing a freaking PARKA (no, I'm not exagerating) in Texas in July won't help your B.O. either.
2) pick their noses with their fingers up to the last knuckle joint and flick the resultant produce across the table...especially WHILE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE! (Not my house, thank God, but the host was incredibly patient!)
3) insist on wearing TV/Movie/ancient culture costumes to special occasions/official functions as if they were suits or military uniforms. THEY AREN'T. And, despite the brilliant recreation of a Samurai's garb, you are a teenaged white guy in Texas, not an actual Samurai, so removing your REPLICA Katana from its scabbard does NOT mean you have to draw blood- if you honestly think it does and you keep saying that, you'll be under arrest VERY soon, if only for a 24-hour psych evaluation.
4) run "deviant" campaigns. As in, its OK to run a "villain" campaign, but when every PC/Player wallows in graphic detail of, say, "Hannibal Lecter-esque" behavior every session, for months on end...that bespeaks not roleplay, but disturbed individuals. I'm sorry- I don't wan't any part of a campaign in which the "torture/kill-ressurect-repeat" tactic is the favored way of getting your XP.
5) don't realize that its BORING when they tell you of their screenplay/fanfic/favorite PC's life-history, line-by-line. For HOURS. Every time we talk. Regardless of the general flow of conversation. RPGs and related hobbies are (for me, at least) a hobby, NOT a religion and NOT a way of life.
6) exhibit any other behavior that just generally creeps me out. Hitting on the underaged definitely qualifies. Regardless of sex or orientation. That's not social, that's criminal. So is illicit drug use.
Now, I'm no Vin Diesel, but I can walk into a room without causing stares...unless I wander into a KKK rally. And I KNOW there are lots of good, relatively normal gamers out there who don't fit into any of the above groups- I game with 2 such groups right now. Those listed above were all exceptions...but they were EXCEPTIONAL exceptions, to be sure, who will be forever etched into my mind until senility sets in.
So, if you want to game with CPM, knock yourself out. You won't, however, find me at your table.
On the flip side, most of these poor people are beyond help, so your or my lack of approval won't do much to help OR hinder them. They are what they are.
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Desdichado
Hero
I don't hate CPM, I just hate being around him. And you know what? I was nice to Cat Piss Boy in High School. About six months later after trying to scrape him off my leg, I was able to remove the parasite that he instantly became.Galeros said:It saddens me to see such hate for those who are people too. Next time you run into a "Cat-piss man" why dont you try to talk to them and be nice. Sure he may not smell the greatest, but he may actaully be a very nice guy. If you actually make friends with him, then maybe you could eventually tell him to bathe cause it bothers you and the people around him as well. Being nice and polite helps a lot.
Oh, sure, I'll be polite to CPM. I'm reasonably polite to most people anyway, especially when I first meet them. But I'm not going to go there again.
Jeremy Ackerman-Yost
Explorer
Yep, me too. She was everything that is wrong with the world rolled up into one psychotic, foul-smelling package. She was also absolutely thrilled at being the only woman with whom most of the group ever interacted, so she tended to get defensive, and then physically violent, when another woman was around.trowizilla said:
Luckily, I was only part of the group long enough to witness one of those incidents, though I'm told they were recurrent. That was ever so much fun. Incidentally, right after that was when I took a 5 year break from gaming.
jester47
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Joshua Dyal said:
Hey, it was only because that cat was darned sneaky!
Heh. But in truth I was simply a teenager with a neurotic cat who did not fold his cloths and put them away. I was well adjusted enough to know that the neurotic cat was really crimping my style, and I took steps to fix it, it took a year to get to the point where I never smelled. Largely cause Kubla was darned sneaky... The problem was not because I had some anti-social upbringing problem. Granted I was socially anti-social (i.e. a punk teenager) but that was more a symptom of teenage awkwardness than anything else.
All joking and explanations aside Josh, I had the same experiences with some folks in Junior High. You showed them kindness and a similar interest and boom, you are their new best friend. It took me a while to learn. On a different note the real cat piss boy shared my last name, which was mortifying. But he was really just very, very obnoxious and rude rather than smelly.
Aaron
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