Are gamers really that pathetic?

Asperger's Sydrome is a lot more than just having problems with social skills. My nephew has it, and while he is extremely bright in some areas (his reading comprehension at 5 was equal to that of a 2nd-grader, at least), he lags in other capacities, such as comprehension of certain math and relational concepts. His biggest problem is not understanding the concept of personal space. However, there are lots of ways to deal with Asperger's syndrome these days, both chemical and behavioral.
 

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Bagpuss said:
Until the thing you love dumps you, and sleeps with your best friend (Not necessary in that order). ;)

Having been through this precise situation (albeit when I was 16 and relationships being a little less serious), I still say "Better to have loved and lost..."
 

maddman75 said:
Yes - though there are plenty of perfectly normal gamers, it is an escapist, intellectual hobby. Therefore it naturally attracts people only interested in intellectual pursuits or who really want to escape life. Also many people fall into the Geek Social Fallacies and allow these folks to not develop their social skills. And meeting one Cat Piss Man will make the typical person (or Booth Babe) forget about the last hundred normal gamers they meet.

Yep.

Also because gaming is a social hobby we come into closer contact with the socially challenged gamers than we would in some other hobbies

If the guy way in the back of the baseball stadium was a foul smelling social reject with the charm of a dead marmot you would never know

OTOH if you just spent a few hours tossing dice with the guy ....
 

Hida Bukkorosu said:
well, here's another problem that comes up...

i make the effort to shave and bathe and all that stuff... but then by the time i finish, it's too late to go to class, so i don't end up being around girls at all that day... plus i miss class...

as far as the risk, my big fear is that the girl will think i'm some kind of a creepy psycho or something and sue me for sexual harassment. so there's a lot more at stake than just embarrasment...

If you want to date the pretty girls, you have to dress like one of the cute guys. Simple. It is the same as if you were going for a job interview - a suit may not be 'you' but the alternative is not getting the job you want. Everyone puts on a bit of a mask to deal with the world.
(When I say that you have to dress well, I don't mean "change your personal style" - just make sure your clothes are clean, fit you, and don't have holes in.)

It seems as if you have a few separate problems that add up to lack of date.
1) You are not willing to sacrifice any time to improve your personal appearance. As Heinlein said, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." If you did not do any work would you expect good grades? You have to put in time and effort to get the things you want in life. You will just have to get up a little earlier in the morning. If you would not get up 20 minutes earlier to get your heart's desire, maybe you should ask yourself whether it really is your heart's desire? It might not be.
2) You are so afraid of rejection that you will not approach the girls you like. That way you will only get dates with telepathic ladies. ASK THEM!Say "Would you like to go for coffee after class?" or something nice and safe like that. The worst you can get is "no thanks".
3) You want instant gratification. It just doesn't work like that. You won't get your degree in only 6 weeks either, no matter how bright you are!

Oh and - if you take 'no' for an answer, no one will think you are a stalker. It is just the guys who ask the same girl for a date 27 times that seem creepy.

Good luck and keep at it!
 
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Well, 'gamer' is probably the wrong word to describe me, but 'nerd' fits well enough being the more general term ;). The matter with me is mostly, that I'm more than just a little shy and unsecure in situations, where I do not know/understand the various relations and social rules governing behaviour and its perception. Also in my eighteen years of life I've thought friendship and love to be something important to me only for half a year - I guess, that makes me somewhat of a late-comer to this 'social life' thing. Before that I was content to have books, games and the internet. I like to think, that with time I will develop a better ability to find social contact, but I'm not entirely sure about that. Counting people I consider good friends I come up with three and among the more distant friends girls are scarce. Due to my problems described above I'm simply bad at making contact with others. Oh well, maybe the problem will solve itself once I get away from home (and my parents) to study somewhere. I sure like to think so ;).

Now of course the interesting part would be, how I came to be like that. Psychological self-analysis being chronically unreliable my answers are probably more or less off spot, but still ... factors contributing would be 1. the situation in high-school(-equivalent) and 2. the relationship to my parents. When I came to high-school, all of my elementary school friends were gone, while in the rest of the class there were still old cliques of friends. A little shy as I was then already, it was all the harder to find contacts. Being somewhat of an outsider and subject to on and off mobbing through several years hasn't helped either. As for the second reason I have recently realized, that I've been perceiving (rightly to some extent, I'm sure) my mothers as a very controlling and judgemental influence making home a place I wouldn't want an 'outsider' like a visiting friend to come into and making leaving a thing often avoided as I'd have to tell, where I was going, to whom, why, etc. This is, my analysis anyway.

Now my being aware of this and my classmates having grown up a bit, the situation is better. We'll see, what comes of it. Why I write this then? Well, it makes me kinda feel better to talk about it and order my thoughts by writing them out. Make of this, what you will.
 

Hida Bukkorosu said:
as far as how i dress, i want someone who wants the real me, not some fake person i'm pretending to be. what it seems is that the real me is someone who girls aren't attracted to, at least not the kind of girls i'm attracted to.

Um, yet another (quite possibly annoying) person stepping up and commenting blithely on your personal life here. Hi!


You want someone who wants the real you? Congratulations - in all sincerity, that is. Goddamn, if there was only more of that in the world, not less. Hang on a sec - maybe it's just that I empathise with your feelings there. I'll try to be less associative, and no doubt fail.

"Not some fake person I'm pretending to be"? Yeh, I hear that. But, we are all fake people when in public, of necessity. Without some kind of buffer between what each of us actually thinks and feels, and every other person with their own (frequently irreconcilable) thoughts and feelings, things would be, well...abundantly more horrible than they may already be, let's just say.

Clothes absolutely do not make the man, or woman. Ridiculous to assume that they ever could or could have. But they do operate in a similar manner to flags, say. I think that many people who might appear to be 'image-obsessed' or 'shallow' in this area are in fact just utilising those flags effectively, knowing full well that none of it truly means a thing, but happier nonetheless to use the resources available to them, than not to. It's not everyone's choice, but quite honestly I believe that a lot of those 'playing the game' are lucidly aware of the fact that they are doing precisely that. The real them? Someone not so shallow, quite often. In most places on Earth, you have to wear clothes. So, from there, it's a simple inevitable matter of deciding either what you want to wear, or what you least dislike wearing, according to your outlook. Any people out there who'll form opinions on who you really are based on your clothing are a waste of your time, clearly - vapid puppets and such.

So what 'kind' of girls are you attracted to (aiming for a positive rather than a double negative)? No, I don't need to know, but you may or may not. Taking people on a case-by-case basis rather than categorising, that's the key, IMO. Common ground usually helps a bit. Maybe try looking in the same places you'd like someone to find you at (possibly places you feel 'at home'/'yourself'). It worked for me, though accidentally - I met my current longtime girlfriend (and she is definitely 'the one') in an atypical place, and the meeting was completely unforeseen - and slightly awkward, also mutually nervewracking - but here we are; point being, if I'd thought of that back then, I could've actually sought that situation out actively. It works for others too, from time to time. It might work for you also.



Hida Bukkorosu said:
i guess that's in general how i see life. too much work for too little reward. life requires way too much effort, and there's not enough good things about life to make it feel like it's worth all the work.

Foresight and hindsight are prerequisites for making sense of anything much. Being a roleplayer (I assume), you'd be even more than usually capable of 'seeing into the future', should you wish to. Your future self will forever be in a state of disappointment and disapproval toward your past i.e. present self if you don't take worthwhile opportunities and also create some for yourself.


Hida Bukkorosu said:
i can't just go up and start talking to some strange girl, no matter how much i'd like to... i'm just too afraid...

You and how many others? You'd be surprised. It sucks, but it's how it is. Anything unknown tends to be like that. Anything with a real chance of humiliation, even more so. Someone told me years ago, some disposable platitude like "FEEL THE FEAR AND DO IT ANYWAY!". Heh, I thought. Sure. You first - I'll observe and make my own mind up on the matter...and so, a significant time later I did (make up my mind)...waddayaknow...who woulda thunk it...good advice, as it so happens.


Hida Bukkorosu said:
as far as looking in the mirror and smiling, my forced smiles look terrible. :)

Nearly everyone looks more crap in mirrors, especially with certain lighting. Same goes for photos, same goes for the sound of your speaking voice in recordings, you name it. And I really wouldn't bother with forced smiles except where strictly required for the fending off of disastrous situations. At least as many people respond negatively to them as positively, IME. And the kinds of people who respond negatively, might well be of more interest to you (as someone who is less concerned with trite conformism than truths, no?)


Hida Bukkorosu said:
i suppose, from an objective viewpoint, it's best for the world (other than myself) that someone like me has their self-esteem crushed. i mean, if I was truly able to realise my childhood dreams, I'd be bringing much suffering upon the world under my despotic regime. there'd be all sorts of suffering and death because of my wars of conquest. but because i have no self-confidence, i can't realise my desires. i think they recognised this and that's why everyone from teachers on down to students conspired to destroy me. because i was a threat, my intelligence combined with my resistance to conformity made me dangerous. but my emotional instability made me an easy target.

It's worse for the world (including, of course, the individual in question) whenever anyone is partially crushed (kind of a euphemism, you might say), because it perpetuates and fuels that same small-minded idiocy elsewhere. And that's my best rendition of an 'objective viewpoint' (though no such thing exists - the term itself is an oxymoron).

Some people conspired to destroy you? I've been there. I was also precocious (a common enough trait among roleplayers, seemingly). I was also resistant to conformity (ditto). On a few occasions I was considered dangerous. I've been emotionally unstable at times. And while I'm not presuming to speak on behalf of others here (only to give unsolicited advice of debatable merit ;)), I would hazard a guess that a lot of people could truthfully say the same.

At present, you haven't been destroyed. From this point on, it's up to you whether you faithfully carry on the work of said small-minded idiots in your past and actually succeed at their previously attempted destruction of your good self, or...make your own way. I've been through stuff, and I know people who've been through worse stuff than I have. They've come through it - not unscathed, but whole - with the influences of bloodyminded willpower and good people. Identify the good people in your life. They won't let you down. With a bit of support from them, you'll be able to be whatever it is you aspire to be.

my 2c. I hope even a fraction of it might prove helpful in some way, and if it doesn't, I hope it's forgivable and forgettable garbage.
 

well, the other day i read in the police blotter in the campus newspaper:

"a female reported that a male approached her asking to be tutored in english. an incident report was filed."

how can i ask a girl out when girls will report guys to the police just for asking for help with their english?
 

I think you are still looking for excuses.
The incident with the homework was doubtless more complex than it sounds. Maybe the guy had been stalking her for weeks, or asked her when she was alone in a park at 3AM. You can't plan ahead for unlikely things like that. Have you planned for the possibility that your first girlfriend will turn out to be a mad poisoner? Most girls are flattered to be asked out, as long as the guy doesn't press the issue if they say 'no'

So what type of girl are you looking for anyway? Anyone in particular in mind? Tell us more!
 

Hida Bukkorosu said:
well, the other day i read in the police blotter in the campus newspaper:

"a female reported that a male approached her asking to be tutored in english. an incident report was filed."

how can i ask a girl out when girls will report guys to the police just for asking for help with their english?

LiKral's right...you're making excuses, now. That write-up is so vague as to be meaningless. It conveys nothing of context. As LiKral pointed out, there are plenty of mitigating factors. Do you seriously think that every girl who gets asked out reports an incident with the campus police? Consider: the girl obviously felt threatened. More than likely, this wasn't a 'Pardon me, I don't normally do this, but if you're not busy, would you like to get som coffee?', but a "Hello, pretty legs! How to you are coming with me to my place and teaching me English. Much am I wanting to learn from american girl with such nice body." No imagine the the latter occured with someone who clearly was not a student, but was on campus grounds. He may have been physically threatening and violated the girl's person space, or she just may have been skittish.

Men ask women (and vice-versa, and men ask other men) all the time, every day. Don't latch on to this as a lame reason to validate your fears. The fact is this: YOU WILL GET TURNED DOWN. Deal with it. Anticipate it. Prepare for it. JUST DON'T DESIRE IT. Being rejected is not the hardest thing in the world, once you mentally adjust for it. I can't guarantee you success off the bat, but I can guarantee you failure if you don't even try.
 


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