Are people still mad about . . .

[Mistwell]

They did say my game was not as fun as it should be

I think they said "could be". You see the difference, right?

they did call things I enjoy the antitheses of fun.

2e. Unless you have a 3e quote?

And I never said they called it garbage, I said they acted like it was garbage

You interpreted it that way. Many many others did not. Which is one of the reasons this topic exists I think - in retrospect, going back over what was actually said, do people still feel that way. You obviously do, but your memory was based on thinking they called your games sucky.

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

Funny thing if i said "Your 4e game is unfun or not as fun as it could be if your using X" I would get frothing fanboys just as bad if not worse dogpiling me

 

[jdrakeh]

I'm not angry about WotC pulling past edition PDFs anymore, though I am still flummoxed about the whole ordeal.

 

[billd91]

I think they said "could be". You see the difference, right?

Could be, should be. Neither matters. The point is: how the bloody hell would they know if they're not playing in my game and where would they get off presuming such? It's a badwrongfun comment from someone who should know better and, not personally hearing it, if it was said it deserved any trashing it got.

Edit: Now, if someone can actually find a statement like this, will it put to rest the argument?

 

[Shemeska]

Pretty sure it was a snip at 2e, not 3e.

Based on other comments at the time, I gathered that it was a snip at the Great Wheel cosmology in general, as was being done elsewhere. The quasi-plane and things in it were referenced during the 3.x period. Not very much, but it was there.

Again, what's with you and Shemeska adding stuff that was never said in order to make your point?

Pardon? What precisely did I add that was never said?

 

[Hunter In Darkness]

Edit: Now, if someone can actually find a statement like this, will it put to rest the argument?

Statement was quoted above

"When was the last time you saw a PC make a profession check that had a useful impact on the game? (Hint: If it was recently, your game is probably not as much fun as D&D should be.)"

 

[Mikaze]

Don't forget the digs on aasimar.

I love aasimar. And classic heterogeneous tieflings. And the variety of good outsiders.

The Plane of Vacuum has been a useful tool in my games in the past.

Damn. Now I'm longing for more 2E Planescape material...

 

[Lanefan]

Pretty sure it was a snip at 2e, not 3e.

Either way, the song remains the same: trashing the old in order to promote the new; and therein lies the issue.

The only difference is there's not as many diehard 2e fans left to roar in protest as there are diehard 3e fans.

Lanefan

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Re: People being insulted by the 4Ed ad campaign.

Its kind of like a verbal/linguistic version of mechanical resonance.

Each individual negative statement may have been minimally perturbing, but as each new one popped up, it reinforced the perturbations generated by previous statements.

Statement A gets me interested in the game.
Statement B gets me mildly miffed at a certain aspect of what has been revealed.
Statement C gets me a little annoyed at another aspect of the forthcoming design, but also makes me more negative at B.
Statement D is neutral.
Statement E is negative, and while mildly so, it amplifies my negative perceptions of statements C and B.

By the time statements X, Y, and Z rolls around (whatever their nature), the rhetorical oscillations caused by negative statements have reached a certain magnitude that renders the positives of the game almost...secondary.

All in all, we really don't need to recount each and every particular phrase or statement that annoyed us about the 4Ed rollout- we'll only annoy ourselves needlessly, and no matter how many we recount, we won't convince anyone that our perceptions were valid.

We saw things differently then, and we still do today. Let the details of the squabble rest.

 

[haakon1]

Mad? Really only about one thing.

That the switchover caused ENworld to be such an angry, angry place.

I'm mad that you're mad about that.