Are the Retro Clones doing well?


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Steve Chenault, by the way, is married to a full-time lawyer, so I suspect in much of the industry, "full-time" employment might be very dependent on what the wife does (if they are married) or what standard of living you wish to do. I think the amount of third-party publishers that can live on their own salaries would be counted on a single hand.

That's probably true for most 3rd party publishers, including a lot of the d20 publishers. Necromancer was one of the "biggest" (until Paizo) but Clark Peterson was one of the few publishers I saw be up front about the situation by admitting to a day job. I think that is the true reality of the game publishing market today.

I have to wonder how Freelancers pay the bills--do they have day jobs? Do they have writing jobs?


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I thought his wife was a Doctor and Mac Golden was the lawyer? Either way, I know C&C makes some money, since they used profits to buy their printing/binding machines, which cost over 30 grand, and I know they have stated they make a living off of what they do. I also know they don't do "just" C&C. As an example they printed up the new BASH rules book and are the ones who made the boxes for the Swords and Wizardry boxed set, and they do other small publishing jobs, and have done so in the past. Take Necromancer Games for an example, they published around 5 of Necromancers products. Lost City of Barakus, Taverns, and a couple of others.
 
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It'll be interesting to see how Dark Sun is handled in regard to divine power sources. It could either provide a model for flexibility in 4E or establish that from now on all settings will be the same thing with a different paint job.

They're removing the Divine power source for one. Rich Baker has been posting bits of info along the way in his blog and you can find threads complaining/praising every nugget of news here in the forums heh.

Either way, I know C&C makes some money, since they used profits to buy their printing/binding machines, which cost over 30 grand, and I know they have stated they make a living off of what they do. I also know they don't do "just" C&C. As an example they printed up the new BASH rules book and are the ones who made the boxes for the Swords and Wizardry boxed set, and they do other small publishing jobs, and have done so in the past.

A wise move on their part. People know they own their own printing machines and their product looks good, so they can contract out printing jobs and make money off of that.
 

Supplement VI: The Majestic Wilderlands (Bat in the Attic Games) sold over 150 copies at this time. It is a supplement for Swords & Wizardry (Mythmere Games) a retro-clone of the original 1974 D&D rules. It been just over a month since the initial release of the PDF. I am about double over what I originally estimated. I suspect I will wind up between 200 to 300 sales for the first year.
 


Supplement VI: The Majestic Wilderlands (Bat in the Attic Games) sold over 150 copies at this time. It is a supplement for Swords & Wizardry (Mythmere Games) a retro-clone of the original 1974 D&D rules. It been just over a month since the initial release of the PDF. I am about double over what I originally estimated. I suspect I will wind up between 200 to 300 sales for the first year.

I bought one of those 150 copies! More because of it dealing with the Wilderlands than what clone it is based on. Good stuff! Several campaign ideas in there that I am considering adding to my campaigns.
 

I have to wonder how Freelancers pay the bills--do they have day jobs? Do they have writing jobs?

I can't speak for all freelancers, but this freelancer has worked a variety of odd jobs over the years. I've done tech support for two ISPs (I seriously doubt that there will be a third), done some manual labor, customer service, even went back to school to complete my degree and am currently looking for work. Freelancing RPG products is something most of us do because we enjoy it, not because we can make a living from it. It's something that adds a few extra dollars to the yearly budget, but is hardly something that makes or breaks the household budget. Right now I'm waiting to see if I'm going to be accepted to grad school. If so, that means that I'll probably eventually be an RPG writer and a teacher. If not, then it's back to looking for work and relocating to a place where they can use someone with a degree in professional writing.
 


I think they are doing well- not that they are a drop in the bucket sales-wise compared to the "big boys", but it's been steady growth, and new products blogs, zines, all the time. I know I blew over a $100 at XMAS time again at LULU. There are some REALLY well done OSR products out there. No the art or formatting may not be WOTC or WW quality, but the CONTENT is solid.

Majestic Wilderlands as mentioned above is a recent product I bought that is very impressive despite the fact it's not super useful to me personally. Great read and very well done.

StoneHelll is the megadungeon that may actually get me to run a megadungeon- and I have always HATED megadungeons since the 1970s.

The new S&W:WB boxed sets from BHP have sold out twice now? within a matter of hours? (luckily got my order in last night before the second batch was gone)

Knockspell & FO magazines are more fun, interesting to read, and useful to me than any issue of Dragon/Dungeon that Paizo/WOTC has done that I can recall.

If you love G1-3, you definitely need to pick up Sanctum of the Stone Giant Lord, whether you play OD&D, PF, or 4E

Battaria Games' "Companion Expansion" is a great take on the never published Companion rulebook for the Moldvay/Cook/Marsh sets.

And FWIW I'm using most of the OSR books for 4E as well as LBB/Moldvay/Cook/Marsh.
 

Battaria Games' "Companion Expansion" is a great take on the never published Companion rulebook for the Moldvay/Cook/Marsh sets.

Was this Companion rulebook for the Moldvay/Cook/Marsh sets, ever written at all?

If I had to guess, whatever little (or a lot) that was previously written, was eventually published in the Mentzer series Companion box set?
 

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