Are undead vulnerable to daze?
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Hypersmurf
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Stalker0 said:
If it isn't mind-affecting and doesn't have a Fort save, he's affected just like anyone else.
-Hyp.
Though I'm pretty sure the rules don't allow for undead to be excempt from daze effects there's a little blip of information at the end of the Shield Slam feat description from CW. It states that undead, constructs etc and creatures not effects by criticals can't be dazed.
Even before I read that I felt that it was weird that undead are affected by daze but maybe it was done by design to allow those creatures to be affected by at least something.
Even before I read that I felt that it was weird that undead are affected by daze but maybe it was done by design to allow those creatures to be affected by at least something.
Hypersmurf
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Stalker0 said:
Um? They have the undead subtype, which makes them immune to criticals.
Which means the Shield Slam feat won't daze them.
The question is whether the note in the Shield Slam feat is a Heavy Crossbow rule, applying to the whole game, or just a note pertaining to the effect of the feat.
-Hyp.
Semi-quoteth the source:
"<blah blah saving throw>. A defender who fails this saving throw is dazed for 1 round. Constructs, oozes, plants, undead, incoporeal creatures, and creatures immune to critical hits cannot be dazed."
While you can take the second sentence to mean exactly that, that if you're immune to criticals you cannot be dazed, I feel that the sentence implicitly means "by this feat". Otherwise, a character with heavy fortification could not be dazed period.
Like nauseated, dazed is a name for a game condition: that of taking no actions but not having a penalty to AC. The "dazed" state can be induced by many different things; an enchantment spell, having a heavy piece of metal slammed into your face, etc. It's a lot like swarm nauseating people; if you're in the middle of a bunch of centipedes you aren't actively heaving, but you're suffering a condition _that is called nauseated_.
They could have called Dazed "State 1", Nauseated "State 2", Stunned "State 3", and removed any possibility of confusing because of "real" definitions of the terms.
"<blah blah saving throw>. A defender who fails this saving throw is dazed for 1 round. Constructs, oozes, plants, undead, incoporeal creatures, and creatures immune to critical hits cannot be dazed."
While you can take the second sentence to mean exactly that, that if you're immune to criticals you cannot be dazed, I feel that the sentence implicitly means "by this feat". Otherwise, a character with heavy fortification could not be dazed period.
Like nauseated, dazed is a name for a game condition: that of taking no actions but not having a penalty to AC. The "dazed" state can be induced by many different things; an enchantment spell, having a heavy piece of metal slammed into your face, etc. It's a lot like swarm nauseating people; if you're in the middle of a bunch of centipedes you aren't actively heaving, but you're suffering a condition _that is called nauseated_.
They could have called Dazed "State 1", Nauseated "State 2", Stunned "State 3", and removed any possibility of confusing because of "real" definitions of the terms.
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