Pathfinder 1E Are you a Pathfinder expert?

[Qik]

Not sure if he'd be interested, and I hope he doesn't mind my summoning, but [MENTION=6666968]Satin Knights[/MENTION] is one of the top dogs crunch-wise around the LPF forums.

 

[Satin Knights]

Thanks Qik for the thought, but I would be better as an editor than a writer. The fact check process is easier for me than the pretty prose that it would need to be wrapped up in.

 

[Asmo]

Steel_Wind seems capable enough, and he´s a Pathfinder fan through and through.
SOTS is capable, but I don´t want every answer leading to how bad the rogue is under the Pathfinder rules.

Asmo

 

[Herobizkit]

I second [MENTION=35909]StreamOfTheSky[/MENTION].

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

In regards to the column, would the advice be simply following RAW, or could you suggest houserules/interpretations you prefer as well (without misleading readers into thinking that is the actual rules, of course)? I'm more of a RAI type person when RAW gets silly.

Another concern anyone who gets this job should have is how often Paizo completely changes existing rules, and the unorganized fashion in which its done. Some examples:

Sean K. Reynolds (SKR) slipped in a (good, IMO) change to the Scar hex in the Ultimate Magic FAQ, that wasn't updated to the PF SRD for a while afterwards that completely altered how useful the hex was: paizo.com - Paizo / Help/FAQ

Trip weapons, which initially worked just as in 3E aside from the combat maneuver changes, got suddenly changed in a blog post. Originally, you needed a trip weapon to make a trip attempt, after that blog post, the FAQ was updated to to say that you can use any weapon to trip with (and thus gain enhancement bonus, weapon focus, etc... on your CMB). SKR also said you get a trip weapon's bonuses on drag and reposition maneuvers.

I nominate [MENTION=35909]StreamOfTheSky[/MENTION].

At least, I summon him here so he may apply if he so wishes.

ENWorld has a lovely feature to undo that particular feature, so I don't receive notifications everytime someone mentions me.

But thank you for the consideration. I would actually be interested in this, I already spend lots of time typing about Pathfinder and helping people with questions / optimization advice, may as well make a job out of it.

SOTS is capable, but I don´t want every answer leading to how bad the rogue is under the Pathfinder rules.

I wouldn't do that in an advice column, unless the advice sought was along the lines of "is Rogue a powerful class," or "should I play a Rogue or a Ninja," or the like.

I'm not applying for the position. I'm throwing a question out for those who are; Morrus can compare your answers, as a test. (He may want you to pm him with answers to it? So you can't see the answers of those going before you? Up to him.) Because I've been wondering about something.

What happens to Domain spells that have been Metamagicked? I'm assuming they would fill a higher domain level slot, but the rules as written kind of imply that only the two "normal" spell options from the domains are supposed to go in there. But if that's so, it would mean that domain spells can't have meta-magic applied to them. Obviously, this is really only important in those cases where having the domain is the only way the spell is available to the character. But anyway ... allowed, forbidden, or GM's call?

By strict RAW and what I consider to be the designers' intent, I would say you can definitely use domain spells modified by metamagic feat(s) to be higher level in your domain slots. The text specifically says, "A cleric gains one domain spell slot for each level of cleric spell she can cast, from 1st on up. Each day, a cleric can prepare one of the spells from her two domains in that slot."

The only requirement to prepare a spell in those slots is that they come from one of your domains' spell lists. For there to be any case at all for restricting metamagic-applied domain spells, it would at least have to be worded more like this: "Each day, a cleric can prepare one of the spells of that level from her two domains in that slot," and even that would be ambiguous without actually placing a definitive restriction on the slots' use.

For what it's worth, as with any other spell slot, you could also use a higher level domain spell slot for a lower level spell for no added benefit at all. Say you had War Domain and preparing Divine Power in both the 4th and 5th level slots was more appealing to you than the 5th level offerings of War or your other domain. Again, the only restriction is that its a spell from your domains, and the general spellcasting rules (you need at least a 4th level slot to cast a 4th level spell, for instance).

 

[ruemere]

I'm not applying for the position. I'm throwing a question out for those who are; Morrus can compare your answers, as a test. (He may want you to pm him with answers to it? So you can't see the answers of those going before you? Up to him.) Because I've been wondering about something.

What happens to Domain spells that have been Metamagicked? I'm assuming they would fill a higher domain level slot, but the rules as written kind of imply that only the two "normal" spell options from the domains are supposed to go in there. But if that's so, it would mean that domain spells can't have meta-magic applied to them. Obviously, this is really only important in those cases where having the domain is the only way the spell is available to the character. But anyway ... allowed, forbidden, or GM's call?

Your question can be trimmed down to:
- should I treat domain spell slots differently from normal spell slots?
- if so, may I prepare metamagicked domain spells in domain spell slots?

To determine answers to your questions, there are three places in Pathfinder PRD document to check:
- class ability description: domains,
- magic section: preparing divine spells,
- feats section: metamagic feats.

Why these places? Because we are looking for exceptions (domain spell slots) to a more general rule (spell slots). Of course, one could also create a feat which specifically forbids the use of domain spell slots, however the broad nature of your question allows me to assume that this is not the case.

The information we find (check the links above) can be summarized as follows:
- domain spell slots are separate from standard spell slots,
- neither of the free links contains explicit statement forbidding metamagicking spells stored in spell slots,
- spontaneous casting rule does not apply to spells prepared in domain spell slots.

The verdict:
All of these activities, use of metamagic or storing lower level spells in higher level slots or leaving the domain spell slot open to prepare a spell later, are allowed.

Regards,
Ruemere

PS. Not running for EnWorld Sage position. Just trying to provide my take on the rules, with links

 

[ruemere]

Tovec,
My players include: a lawyer, an accomplished scientist, a guy who works with clinical research data and ex-moderator for one of largest social/news portals in my country. I needed to learn to defend my rulings bloody well and in a socially acceptable way .

(apologies for derailing thread a bit)

Regards,
Ruemere

 

[Morrus]

Excellent. I'm closing applications now (as I want to get someone in place fairly quickly). In the running we have:

[MENTION=9249]Viktyr Korimir[/MENTION]
[MENTION=8461]Alzrius[/MENTION]
[MENTION=86468]Transbot9[/MENTION]
[MENTION=49338]gdmcbride[/MENTION]
[MENTION=35909]StreamOfTheSky[/MENTION]



Let me know if I've missed anyone. I'll reread all the responses a few times and make a decision ASAP!

 

[TarionzCousin]

Is this contest like the Miss Universe pageant? I.e., if the winner can not perform her duties, does the First Runner-Up become "Miss Pathfinder"?

 

[Flatus Maximus]

Is this contest like the Miss Universe pageant? I.e., if the winner can not perform her duties, does the First Runner-Up become "Miss Pathfinder"?

And, more importantly, will there be a swim-suit competition? [Looks away]