D&D (2024) Are you going to buy the new 2024 D&D Core Books

[TheSword]

I’m a little confused… if the changes that are being made are largely positive. Why does the volume of changes affect whether you would start using the new edition or not? It seems like people are saying they won’t use 5.2 because there isn’t enough change but that doesn’t make sense to me unless you’re unhappy with 5e (in which why not change)

If a new swimming center opens up down the road thats nicer than the one I use now. I’m not going to refuse to switch because it turns out they don’t also have an ice room and an outdoor spa. It’s either better or it isn’t?

 

[Mirrorrorrim]

I didn’t call anyone dumb. I think some people may be making a decision too hastily. I’m surprised that seems to be such a controversial take.

Soo, you'd be fine if someone else categorized your opinion as half-baked or that you don't have the self-awareness to be able to know the truth of your own mind or opinion? Because you didn't just disagree. You dismissed every one of those people. You said their opinion was too early to be accurate or valid. You certainly don't want people doing that to you about your opinions. Why are "No" or "Maybe" the only valid options?

I'm surprised that people taking offense to being considered to not have the mental acuity to make their own decisions is controversial.

This is the internet. I know that my words have been careless when I say something out of pocket that I don't mean, and can get me in trouble. And they have. But you're doubling down. Can you now see the impact of your words in this particular conversation?

 

[Mirrorrorrim]

Am I not allowed to think people’s decisions are dumb? Are we policing thought now?

I didn’t call anyone dumb. I think some people may be making a decision too hastily. I’m surprised that seems to be such a controversial take.

These two comments betray your intent, depsite the spin.

I for one didn't say you were calling people dumb. I said you dismissed people's opinions as too early and invalid because they don't know what they like or don't understand their own motivation for purchasing things. And you said this only about the "Yes" people, not the "Nos" or "Maybes". It does come off as the "Yes" folk not having the capacity to have made their opinion. Yeah, that comes off as calling them dumb. The moderator saw that, and I see it too.

And then, you are the one defending your comment by saying "Am I not allowed to think people's decisions are dumb?" And anyone else stepping up to say you didn't say that was disproved by that comment. This petty bickering could be over if you realized the impact of your words and apologized, but you trying to reframe it sounds like you're doubling down.

 

[Remathilis]

I’m a little confused… if the changes that are being made are largely positive. Why does the volume of changes affect whether you would start using the new edition or not? It seems like people are saying they won’t use 5.2 because there isn’t enough change but that doesn’t make sense to me unless you’re unhappy with 5e (in which why not change)

If a new swimming center opens up down the road thats nicer than the one I use now. I’m not going to refuse to switch because it turns out they don’t also have an ice room and an outdoor spa. It’s either better or it isn’t?

For me, it was a matter of expectation. If I say I like tacos and you promise me the best tacos in town and then give me Taco Bell taco supremes, yeah they are better than their regular tacos and I'll eat still them, but it's a let down compared to what was teased.

 

[tetrasodium]

I’m a little confused… if the changes that are being made are largely positive. Why does the volume of changes affect whether you would start using the new edition or not? It seems like people are saying they won’t use 5.2 because there isn’t enough change but that doesn’t make sense to me unless you’re unhappy with 5e (in which why not change)

If a new swimming center opens up down the road thats nicer than the one I use now. I’m not going to refuse to switch because it turns out they don’t also have an ice room and an outdoor spa. It’s either better or it isn’t?

The "new swimming center" not opened down the road, in fact it's only one of the four being built and still across the street from a 5th that was already built. The OGL fiasco started a lot of engines, some of them are already in motion while others are still in the works. I too was promised the most supreme tacos & hinted at maybe even getting an option for tacos al pastor only to be redirected to a cold taco bell taco supreme from uber eats/doordash/etc while being told those services are the most popular.

All of that is important because While wotc is bending over backwards to limit change to de minimis We already have the 2014 books for that. Plus we already have levelup & maybe tales of the valiant* with more significant efforts being made by the CR folks with two new ttrpgs aiming for a specific niche (with real mechanical changes & new design philosophies) and MCDM is likewise making something to aim for a different niche they are willing to excitedly talk about.



* I stopped following it's alpha/beta too closely when it seemed to be aiming at a 2014 5e/levelup niche competitor, not really sure how much it's diverging so far

edit: those engines I was talking about were companies creating new games

 

[Reynard]

I’m a little confused… if the changes that are being made are largely positive. Why does the volume of changes affect whether you would start using the new edition or not? It seems like people are saying they won’t use 5.2 because there isn’t enough change but that doesn’t make sense to me unless you’re unhappy with 5e (in which why not change)

If a new swimming center opens up down the road thats nicer than the one I use now. I’m not going to refuse to switch because it turns out they don’t also have an ice room and an outdoor spa. It’s either better or it isn’t?

I'm not sure I follow the analogy.

In any case, even if the changes are "good" if they amount to errata, a $100 reinvestment may be too much for some folks to justify -- especially if the people trying to sell them books are saying they aren't necessary.

 

[dave2008]

I'm not sure I follow the analogy.

In any case, even if the changes are "good" if they amount to errata, a $100 reinvestment may be too much for some folks to justify -- especially if the people trying to sell them books are saying they aren't necessary.

I really think this is more to maintain sales then anything. I'm an architect and one of the retail clients I work for mandates their franchises do a "refresh" of their store every 10 years or so. The point of these refreshes is not really to increase sales, but to maintain them. I view the 2024 rules in the same way.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I'm not sure I follow the analogy.

In any case, even if the changes are "good" if they amount to errata, a $100 reinvestment may be too much for some folks to justify -- especially if the people trying to sell them books are saying they aren't necessary.

That is certainly a big part of my "no". What benefit am I getting for my triple-digit investment in books I already own? I'm not taking a college course in D&D, so I don't need to buy the newest printing of the textbook.

 

[Parmandur]

A lot of folks are calling getting the new MM a "no brainer" based on MotM and I'm here still feeling ripped off for buying that book. I was expecting a LevelUp or FleeMortals degree of design improvement, and it was barely a spit polish. I have a hard time grokking how folks are impressed by Wizards' work in this area.

It's a good book that improved the Monster designs.

The new MM also has over 200 new Monsters to go along with the reworked original MM blocks, so for Monater addicts it is a bit of a no-brainer. Also, the art makes it a no-brainer based on the previews they've done so far.

 

[Parmandur]

By making 2024 5E "fully compatible" with 2014 5E WotC has undermined its necessity. That means the books will have to add value above and beyond the usual "new edition" built in value of being able to play the current game. I think this means that they will be more directly competing with other 5E-alikes (TotV, A5E, etc). They have told their customers they don't need these books, which is a weird position to take for a new ruleset (as opposed to the 2E black border reissue).

Do not underestimate the pull of WotC art spreads. Most people who buy, I'd wager, sill buy for new art as much as any art considerations.

Also, remember that the primary audience for new books isn't veterans, but teenagers. They are going tonsell hard to kids who don't have books yet, but just got their middle school graduation gifts in Summer 2024.

A beneficial aspect of the full compatability? A table doesn't to upgrade all at once, it can be piecemeal across years. Maybe nobody at the table wants the PHB...but the DM picks up the MM, in case. And then the DMG drops with a Greyhawk map, and the DM picks it up like a triggered Manchrian Candidate supporter. And a year later, one player decides to get the new PHB. But all the rules remain compatible.