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[kenobi65]

But the seahawks false started, with a false start call, the rams would have won. the seahawks had no time outs, and the illegal formation call allowed the seahawks to swich to sepcial teams, they should not have won.

I think the issue was that, had the officials called Seattle for a false start, the rules state that, because it's within the last 2 minutes, they have to run 10 seconds off the clock (which stops due to the penalty being called). As there was under 10 seconds left, this would have ended the game.

Illegal formation, on the other hand, does not carry that 10-second penalty, and, thus, while it backed Seattle up 5 more yards, it still left them with time to kick the field goal.

I haven't seen the tape of the game, so I have no idea if the officials made a correct call or not. (dragonhead, given your location, I suspect you're a Rams fan, and thus may not have an entirely neutral view of the situation .) What it does illustrate is that, intentionally or not, the Seahawks found a loophole in the rules.

 

[Crothian]

But the seahawks false started, with a false start call, the rams would have won. the seahawks had no time outs, and the illegal formation call allowed the seahawks to swich to sepcial teams, they should not have won.

No, they had an illegal formation there was no false start that I saw. Even the commentators of ESPN who love to point out wrong calls agreed with it.

 

[Dungannon]

As a Seahawk fan I'm not about to start discussing questionable calls by the officials.

That said, will last night's epic collapse lead to a season-long downward spiral for the Cards or will they use it forge a newfound sense of purpose that will lead to a successful campaign?

 

[Gunslinger]

That MNF game was the most pathetic game I've ever seen. As soon as the Cards repeatedly failed to put the game away in the 2nd quarter (and persisisted with the runs that got nowhere), I knew they were doomed.

 

[Crothian]

That said, will last night's epic collapse lead to a season-long downward spiral for the Cards or will they use it forge a newfound sense of purpose that will lead to a successful campaign?

They are doomed. They will finish in the bottom three

 

[DaveMage]

They are doomed. They will finish in the bottom three

I dislike the mid-season (and reactionary) firing of their offensive coordinator. Why would you want to work for Dennis Green if he treats his people that way? Talk about walking on eggshells...

 

[kenobi65]

I dislike the mid-season (and reactionary) firing of their offensive coordinator. Why would you want to work for Dennis Green if he treats his people that way? Talk about walking on eggshells...

Not that I think the firing will change anything, but I'm sure that:

(a) They felt that they needed to do something drastic after the complete collapse on Monday. Running Edge 32 times when he's not even getting 2 yards a carry, and leaving Urlacher fundamentally unblocked, is a sure sign that your offensive coordinator doesn't know how to handle a lead.

(b) All the pundits say Green has to produce this season, or he's out the door, so he may be grasping at straws.

 

[Crothian]

I dislike the mid-season (and reactionary) firing of their offensive coordinator. Why would you want to work for Dennis Green if he treats his people that way? Talk about walking on eggshells...

After a lose like that and one which it seemed the Offensive Coordinator and Head Coach were not working together weill I was not that suprised.

 

[loki44]

I dislike the mid-season (and reactionary) firing of their offensive coordinator. Why would you want to work for Dennis Green if he treats his people that way? Talk about walking on eggshells...

Yeah, I agree with the reactionary bit to a point. AZ was up against arguably the best defense in the NFL. Leinert moved the ball effectively in the first half. Fumbles and punt returns for TDs have little to do with the offensive coordinator. Having said that, I don't believe the guy was simply fired as a scapegoat. The writing was on the wall despite the turnovers all season as evidenced by James' inability to run effectively. They signed him because they expected him to be a big part of their offensive and that simply hasn't panned out over the course of the season so far.

 

[DaveMage]

Yeah, I agree with the reactionary bit to a point. AZ was up against arguably the best defense in the NFL. Leinert moved the ball effectively in the first half. Fumbles and punt returns for TDs have little to do with the offensive coordinator. Having said that, I don't believe the guy was simply fired as a scapegoat. The writing was on the wall despite the turnovers all season as evidenced by James' inability to run effectively. They signed him because they expected him to be a big part of their offensive and that simply hasn't panned out over the course of the season so far.

Scoring 23 points against the Bears is indeed pretty impressive. Ask any of the other teams the Bears have played this year....

I have no problem with dumping someone in the off-season, but there's no time for a new offensive coordinator to put in his own system in mid-year (unless you're giving up on the year, but Dennis Green can't do that to save his own job).

I certainly agree that some of the play-calling was sub-par (36 carries for 55 yards should tell you that maybe there should have been another tactic there), but all that needs to happen to change that is a conversation between head coach and coordinator to be on the same page (or simply have the play-calling duties assigned elsewhere).