Are you tired of being told you hate 4E?

[Elephant]

I couldn't vote in this poll; there's no option for "I'm a 4e skeptic, but people haven't been telling me I'm a 4e-hater."

 

[Mkhaiwati]

The only thing I actually hate is Carrottop.

Exactly!

So, Piratecat... since you put boobies on your gelantinous cubes, also; does that make them silicon cubes? (ba-dum bum)

I voted can't we all get along. I agree with most posters here. I like some design concepts and dislike others. 4e just isn't for me, but if it is for others, great. Don't come to my place and make me switch.

I do dislike being talked down to for not accepting that 4e is the cure for everything in this world, however.

I do hate (and I mean that) what has happened to FR in 4e. But that shouldn't stop anyone else from thinking that the changes are great; it is just my opinion after all and I won't be going to 4e FR. I will not be going to anyone's house and stop them from using the new stuff (gas costs too much and I don't have the time.)

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I know I am.

I am really tired of being told because a certain game isn't a game I want to play or DM then I am a "hater". I don't "hate" 4E. I just don't like it enough to use.

I don't hate GURPS.

I don't hate HARP.

I don't hate any edition of D&D.

I just don't like any of them enough to be my preferred rules set.


I am getting really tired of being told being "anti-4E" means I am a hater.

I may dislike it, but I certainly do not hate it.

How about you?

Where are you being told you are a hater? In the 4e forums? If you already know you don't like it enough to use it, why post in those forums?

I'm not saying people shouldn't criticize 4e in its forum, but if someone has already made up their mind, they need to ask if they are being constructive in their posting or are they just venting their dislike. If they are just venting their dislike for 4e and cannot be swayed to a different viewpoint, then it isn't all that surprising they might get labeled a 4e hater by others in those forums.

For the record, I really like some of the changes in 4e, while I'm very concerned about others. I am waiting until I can see the entirety of the rules and hopefully give it a tryout before I come to a conclusion.

 

[Doug McCrae]

2008 and people still use labels...sad really.
There will always be the "newer is better" group.
There will always be the "it still works why change it" group.

Reformers and traditionalists.

Oh noes! I used labels (also known as 'words') to describe groups of entities. I see now how wrong that is.

In the 4e forum it's useful to have a term for those who are always negative about 4e and post a lot. Hater is shorter than 'full-time critic'.

 

[Einan]

Well, as a moderator, I've been accused of hating 4e, and of being a pandering WotC fanboy. Once or twice that's happened in the same paragraph.

The reality is that I'm reserving judgment on the game until I can actually sit and read the rulebooks. I was the same back for 3e - the news we get is intriguing, but I find it insufficient for real decision making.

As for people telling me I like or hate it - clearly, they are incorrect. Beyond that, I don't let it bug me.

Your rationality shocks and scares me and I for one won't stand for it!

 

[frankthedm]

If i see something I like, i might say something about it. If i see something i don't like, I'm more likely to say something about it. If that makes me a hater, oh well.

 

[Umbran]

2008 and people still use labels...sad really.

Not sad, just human. Remember that "apple" and "orange" are labels, too.

Generalizing is the single most powerful tool in the human cognitive arsenal. It is, therefore, the one most thoroughly open to misuse and abuse - it isn't the label that is the problem, but what that label is used to accomplish, and how.

 

[ThirdWizard]

I don't hate GURPS.

I don't hate HARP.

I posit these questions. Do you post on GURPS message boards? Do you post on HARP message boards? Are you being called a 4e hater on a 4e message board? If you do post on a 4e message board, if you went to a GURPS or HARP board and posted similar things to what you post on said 4e message board, do you think they would or would not call you a "hater?" If you do not post on 4e message boards, where are you being called a 4e "hater": in a Gaming Store, in your group, by friends?

 

[Set]

I've posted critical commentary on GURPS (way back when they used a BBS even, and the moderator threatened to ban me for proving him wrong on a rules issue), the Vampire boards (and the Aberrant / Trinity ones, back when they were seperate), the Scarred Lands threads, etc. I've gotten some pretty spicy replies, but not until the 4E flap have I been called a hater, whiner, liar, hyprocrite, irrational, insane and a religious fanatic.

This edition change is amazingly polarizing. Annoyingly, the worst name-callers invariably also post threads about the 'overwhelming negativity' of the people they've been verbally abusing and asking for moderation of threads and posters that don't agree with them!

Yeesh. It's a game. Some will play it. Some will not. Some will love it. Some will not.

I don't much like the new World of Darkness, but the fans of that game haven't sent me hateful PMs about my negativity, or how I'm an enormous hypocrite who is going to rush out and buy all of their books the second they hit the shelves...

 

[Olaf the Stout]

Stop hating, you hater!

Really, I don't understand the whole 1E, 2E, 3E, 3.5E, 4E hating. If you find a system that you and your gaming group is happy with and has fun playing, does it really matter what random messageboard poster A likes or dislikes?

There isn't one true gaming system to rule them all and which RPG is the "best" one is all a matter of taste. Heck, I like using different systems for different styles of games. I'm a bit of a stickler for the rules when I play or run D&D, yet I also love playing Feng Shui, which uses a very loose rules system. So it's all a matter of preference really.

That and Rifts sucks!

(Actually, I don't know whether or not Rifts sucks. I've never played it or even read the rulebook(s). It does seem to be one of those RPG's that divides opinion though.)

Olaf the Stout