Artificed scrolls

[Tiberius]

Greetings.

According to the ECS, "[artificers] magic is neither arcane nor divine." This is listed in the Characteristics section of the class description, and doesn't directly address magic items. Their Item Creation class feature says nothing about the distinction, but does this also carry over to magic items they create? For example, could I commission an artificer to create for me a scroll of an arcane spell I've had a difficult time in finding and then scribe it into a spellbook, or is it not an arcane scroll?

Thanks!

 

[robberbaron]

I played an Artificer and I did this, however, I'm sure I've read that Artificer's scrolls couldn't be used by any other class but I can't find where I read it. Might be imagining it.

Not much help, I'm afraid, beyond saying that my DM allowed it.

 

[ShadowChemosh]

As you have listed a scroll scribed by an artificer is neither arcane nor divine. So a wizard could not even use the scroll unless he has UMD(Use Magic Device) as the first step to using a scroll is it must be the correct type. As the type is Artificer a Arcane caster can not use the scroll. So no you could not by RAW use an Artificer scroll to scribe into a Arcane spellbook.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/scrolls.htm
"The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)"

 

[castro3nw]

Magic items created by an artificer are considered neither arcane nor divine.

Which means you can't scribe it into your spellbook, and you couldn't cast it off the scroll w/o using UMD or DM fiat.

That said, I think it would work if the Artificer made a scroll, then used that scroll to cast the spell during the process of you making a scroll. The one you made would be Arcane, and thus able to go in the book.

The only problem is that it'll cost twice as much... (ie. base market price and double xp) Might as well just buy a copy of the scroll and not spend the xp. Unless of course, no one is selling them. It might be worth it then.

 

[Christian]

I played an Artificer and I did this, however, I'm sure I've read that Artificer's scrolls couldn't be used by any other class but I can't find where I read it. Might be imagining it.

This is in the FAQ. So you didn't necessarily imagine it.

 

[irdeggman]

This is in the FAQ. So you didn't necessarily imagine it.

Actually it is in the errata (previously cited) - that a magic item made by an artificer is neither arcane nor divine. This takes care of the using scrolls without using UMD. Since the scroll must be of the correct type (arcane or divine) and an artificer created scroll is neither, UMD must be used to activate a scroll.

Activate the Spell: Activating a scroll requires reading the spell from the scroll. The character must be able to see and read the writing on the scroll. Activating a scroll spell requires no material components or focus. (The creator of the scroll provided these when scribing the scroll.) Note that some spells are effective only when cast on an item or items. In such a case, the scroll user must provide the item when activating the spell. Activating a scroll spell is subject to disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would be. Using a scroll is like casting a spell for purposes of arcane spell failure chance.
To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements.
• The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)
• The user must have the spell on his or her class list.
• The user must have the requisite ability score.
If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check. If she meets all three requirements but her own caster level is lower than the scroll spell’s caster level, then she has to make a caster level check (DC = scroll’s caster level + 1) to cast the spell successfully. If she fails, she must make a DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid a mishap (see Scroll Mishaps, below). A natural roll of 1 always fails, whatever the modifiers.