Attacks in Sleep

[Xarlen]

If an area effect spell goes off in a camp, and most of the PCs are asleep, what is the modifiers for a Reflex save?

 

[Artoomis]

Here is all the relevant information from the SRD that I could find:

Helpless
Bound, held, sleeping, paralyzed, or unconscious characters are helpless. Enemies can make advantageous attacks against helpless characters, or even deliver a usually lethal coup de grace.
A melee attack against a helpless character is at a +4 bonus on the attack roll (equivalent to attacking a prone target). A ranged attack gets no special bonus. A helpless defender can't use any Dexterity bonus to AC. In fact, his Dexterity score is treated as if it were 0 and his Dexterity modifier to AC were -5 (and a rogue can sneak attack him).

DEX 0 means that the character cannot move at all. He stands motionless, rigid, and helpless.

and:

Dexterity
Any creature that can move has at least 1 point of Dexterity.
A creature with no Dexterity score can't move. If it can act, it applies its Intelligence modifier to initiative checks instead of a Dexterity modifier. The creature fails all Reflex saves and Dexterity checks.

These quotes from the SRD need to be compared to the PHB for a truely authoritative ruling, but it looks like you automatically miss reflex saves if you are asleep.

 

[Tar-Edhel]

If an area effect spell goes off in a camp, and most of the PCs are asleep, what is the modifiers for a Reflex save?

They can't use their dex modifier, that's for sure... I am not even sure I would allow a save, unless there was some kind of possible cover.

According to the glossary, A reflex save is a character's ability to withstand damage, thanks to his agility or quick reaction. A sleeping character isn't very agile or quick

If you want to be nice, base Reflex save with cover modifiers (and others like luck bonus or such binus that won't go away because you are sleeping)

 

[Xarlen]

Seeing as how a fireball going off in an Inn room (Right through the window), I don't think they're going to get much out've cover.

Of course, the priest has a Luckstone, which could account for something...

 

[Tar-Edhel]

These quotes from the SRD need to be compared to the PHB for a truely authoritative ruling, but it looks like you automatically miss reflex saves if you are asleep.

Makes perfect sense to me. I knew I had read that somewhere