Psionicist
Explorer
Umbran said:
These are the people spreading e-mail virus worldwide.
Attn: Possible Virus Warning - People On Yahoo Mail?
- Thread starter Andrew D. Gable
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These are the people spreading e-mail virus worldwide.
Andrew D. Gable
First Post
While we're on this virus topic, anyone ever hear of one called JS NOCLOSE.E? I'm doing a scan as we speak and it found that one on my computer, hiding out in Temporary Internet Files. It says it can't clean it out, either.
WayneLigon
Adventurer
Andrew D. Gable said:
From Symantec:
While JS.Noclose may be annoying, it is not malicious. It is code that is used by a Web site to create hidden windows for the purpose of displaying advertisements and banner ads. Closing these windows can be difficult, because when you close one, the window that is "hidden" behind it is displayed.
There is no malicious payload involved in this type of code and as such, your system is not endangered. For this reason Symantec does not detect such scripts as viral.
From NAI
This javascript trojan allows various hidden functions to take place on a user's system. It exists in two forms:
In HTA form, an HTML Application is created which is not visible to the user and can not be closed.
In HTML form, a browser window is created which is minimized and can not be easily maximized or closed.
Typically these window "tricks" are seen associated with advertisement and banner ad programs. Especially affiliated with pornographic sites and sites which pay commissions to others for displaying banner ads.
The trojan does not contain any other payload and does not cause any damage to the local system. Files which trigger this detection should be deleted.
Duncan Haldane
Explorer
Psionicist said:
so you think these people aren't L33t enough to use the internet?
I work for a government organisation that has to send and receive thousands of files every day. Most of that is done through email systems. While it is not the best situation (eg, no guaranteed delivery), it is cheap, simple, accessible and doesn't open the computerr system to the same security problems that other systems such as FTP would. It doesn't require the user to be online when we send them files, and if our system is down the users can still send files to us.
Duncan
Wolfspider
Explorer
How do I get rid of that NOCLOSE thingy? My anti-virus software hasn't caught it...and it's damn annoying.
Tsyr
Explorer
Psionicist said:
And you know all of these people are doing this, yes? I'm assuming you have proof to back up this claim...
And lets place blame where blame is due... The people spreading these virus are the people that make them. They just trick other people into helping them. Don't make it out that without the computer-masses virus wouldn't exist.
I mean, no offense, but you are comming off as awfuly darned arrogant, Psionicist... Not everyone should have to know how a worm and a virus work, and how they are different, just to use e-mail. Nor is an updated AA software all that important, if you are careful and know what not to do on the internet... I recently installed 2 different AA software packages and updated them, trying to hunt down a system error (Turned out to be a configuration problem...)... Ran them... No virii anywhere on my system, and it's been over a year since I re-installed windows, and much much longer since a complete hard drive dump.
Psionicist
Explorer
Tsyr said:
The ones to blame are of course the people who create computer virus (malicious code). Why? Because they can. Why? Because there are a lot of users who know to little to protect themselves from the threat.
Tsyr said:
I may be arrogant, but when you get about 1500-2500 virus per DAY sent to your e-mail server hosting about 20 accounts every single day because there are people not running AV software, your view radically changes.
It's a chicken and egg situation. In my point of view, the users without AV software came first. If you know what I mean.
Tsyr said:
Umm, I really hate to continue this OT thread past it's first point, but I really must say that this is extremely bad advice.
(No personal attack intended, I just wanted to point this out for those who don't know alot about virii, so they don't think they can get away without some form of virus protection.)
No one can know everything of what not to do on the interenet and with email. Granted there are a number of steps in locking down a machine so that a malicious program will not execute by itself, but this level of hardening is in almost all cases not worth the trade-off in usability that most people desire out of their machines. AND does not protect them from any new security 'holes' in their OS/Browser/Email program.
Having an anti-virus software on your machine that checks for virus definition updates constantly (ie. at least once a day)is one of the best things that a person can do for the safety of his/her machine and for the safety of their friends' and family's machines. It is by far not the only thing to do, but it is the best first step.
The next is to make sure that the OS and email program are updated to the latest versions, actually exceedingly important if using Microsoft products, Windows and Office update make this rather easy. If you are using something else than the chance of you being able to be infected by a virus goes down greatly so updating can be held off of for a small time if necessary.
Spyware removal tools such as Ad-aware (make sure that you keep them updated frequently) are important for the average user. Mostly to keep the machine running in top form, as the prevalence of resource sucking spyware is at an almost unbelievable level. No longer is it just Gator anymore.
and finally, robust Firewall software, while some people may have to update their RAM so the performance hit is negligable, it is more than worth it. This helps with primarily tracking what on your machine is accessing the outside world while also protecting your machine from your inquisitive neighbor.
RX
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