Getting back to this... That's a good suggestion. It's a great example of cooperative magic, too, where more than one person singing may be necessary to use the power (and more might increase the effect). It follows that in a world where the gods grant spells to their priests, they would give significant powers to all the members of the choir.
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D&D 5E Attunement
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Getting back to this... That's a good suggestion. It's a great example of cooperative magic, too, where more than one person singing may be necessary to use the power (and more might increase the effect). It follows that in a world where the gods grant spells to their priests, they would give significant powers to all the members of the choir.
EzekielRaiden
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This reflects a serious lack of understanding of 5e. Bards are good. Not overpowered--just good. They can snag a handful of powerful spells, if they sacrifice their improved melee abilities. They can get improved--not best, just improved--melee abilities, if they sacrifice spell abilities. Bards have long been able to acquire healing, restorative, and buffing spells, so giving them Cure Wounds is mostly a matter of simplifying bookkeeping. (Why have a "Healsong" and a "Nature's Balm" and "Cure Wounds" if they all do exactly the same thing?) That the Bard can out-heal the Druid is hardly surprising; Druids have not been healing-focused (capable, sure, but not focused) for several editions now, and I'm not even sure healing was a primary concern of theirs in 2e even.
As for the actual topic of the thread--which isn't complaining that Bards can heal and are thus destroying the "priest" role--I think in general you can't go wrong if you use the following heuristic with some careful thinking.
An item probably does not require attunement if:
1. It's highly situational (used an average of 1 or fewer times in a given session).
2. It provides a "minor" bonus (<5, applicable to a narrow/uncommon range of checks, or has an opportunity cost).
3. It could be justified as excellent but mundane craftsmanship or unusual materials (e.g. +1 weapons/armor).
4. You would be completely comfortable with every party member owning and using it regularly, and these would not be the only ones in the world.
5. The party could find someone, without excessive difficulty, who could make the item for them, for the right price/encouragement.
An item probably requires attunement if:
1. It's a broadly-useful benefit (not in categories 2-4 above, used an average of several times per session).
2. It provides a major bonus (increases/replaces stats, applies to several/common checks, has no cost to use).
3. It enables the user to do something they could not do unless they multiclassed or got a feat.
4. The item is well-known in history or myth, or otherwise has a substantial (and deserved) reputation.
5. You would not expect to see more than one or two, or if the party all had one, they would have all the items of that kind in the world.
I have an entire thread dedicated to the subject of what is over-powered, and I have carefully studied the bard.
Yes, you did start a discussion on what is/is not overpowered in 5th edition... however, your views tend to be an outlier regarding things being overpowered.
Bards are a winner in 5th edition.. but only because they are finally not awful.
I have no objection.
My favorite part of magical secrets is getting 5th level ranger and paladin spells at class level 10 compared to rangers and paladins not having those spells available til class level 17. So while most campaigns might not ever get to 17th level and never see a ranger cast swift quiver, many many more campaign could see a 10th level Valor bard replicating an arcane archer type character with the spell.
EzekielRaiden
Follower of the Way
Then perhaps you should reserve your commentary on overpowered things for that thread? This thread is about attuned items.
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