Augment healing and undead

[sammy]

My Druid player wanted to know if his Augment Healing would affect undead for extra damage. The entry for the feat does not say HOW the healing is augmented, so I said no, but that I would throw the question out to see what you guys might say.

I was not sure if the Augmenting was "positive energy" or not, but I can not see how else it would work.

Thoughts?

 

[glass]

My Druid player wanted to know if his Augment Healing would affect undead for extra damage. The entry for the feat does not say HOW the healing is augmented, so I said no, but that I would throw the question out to see what you guys might say.

I was not sure if the Augmenting was "positive energy" or not, but I can not see how else it would work.

Thoughts?

My thought is, it doesn't matter whether it is positive energy or not: Augment Healing augments healing, it doesn't augment damage.


glass.

 

[Nifft]

I'm with glass on this -- take another look at the feat's Benefit paragraph, which specifies "damage healed".

Cheers, -- N

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'm with glass on this -- take another look at the feat's Benefit paragraph, which specifies "damage healed".

How much damage does an undead creature take from a CLW spell?

-Hyp.

 

[Thurbane]

I'd be inclined to say that it would increase the amount of damage to undead.

 

[Infiniti2000]

How much damage does an undead creature take from a CLW spell?

-Hyp.

Is that the right question? Or, did you mean to ask, how much damage healed does an undead creature take from a CLW spell?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Is that the right question? Or, did you mean to ask, how much damage healed does an undead creature take from a CLW spell?

I mean that the CLW spell tells us it heals 1d8 + caster level points of damage. It also tells us that it deals damage to undead creatures instead (Will half).

It's silent on just how much damage undead creatures take. The conclusion I draw from this is that they take damage equal to how much the spell would have healed were they not undead... so a feat that increases the damage healed by your healing spells would, consequently, similarly increase the damage dealt to undead.

If the spell said it heals 1d8 + caster level, but instead deals 1d8 + caster level to undead, I could see an argument that an increase in damage healed has no effect on damage dealt. But the lack of any amount stated for damage dealt suggests to me that it is not independent of the damage healed figure.

-Hyp.

 

[Nifft]

How much damage does an undead creature take from a CLW spell?

How much damage healed? Or how much damage inflicted?

I will stick by the original interpretation -- if the feat said it increases the effect of any Cure spell, then I'd be with you on treating the bonus points as damage when using the spells on the undead. Hell, if the feat said that it increased the amount of positive energy by +2 points per spell level, it would be unambiguous IMHO. As it stands, with a name like Augmented Healing and an effect which specifies damage healed, I think the effect makes sense as only working when a Cure spell is used to heal damage.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Hypersmurf]

How much damage healed? Or how much damage inflicted?

What dice do we roll to determine how much damage is inflicted? How is it calculated?

-Hyp.

 

[Maleketh]

What dice do we roll to determine how much damage is inflicted? How is it calculated?

-Hyp.

You inflict 1d8 + caster level damage. However, the spell description explicitly states that undead are damaged instead of being healed, so I'd also say that the benefit from Augment Healing doesn't apply. My interperetation is that the feat is applied after the spell is cast, once you know whether you're healing damage or inflicting it.