Author (and artist) of The Book of Erotic Fantasy

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Just a few points and a question…

First, no gaming book has universal use. The three main books, the “Player’s Handbook,” the “Dungeon Masters Guide” and the “Monster Manual,” are the only three essential books, assuming it is a D&D game. Therefore, for example, not every one uses the “Secret College of Necromancy” or the “Forgotten Realms Campaign Settings,” even though those are well-written and useful books. Asserting that a book must be used by everyone is a specious assertion deliberately meant to cloud the real issues.

Secondly, sexuality has figured in games in the past (a statement made from personal experience: one of my player characters, with the assistance of another player character, ran a brothel between adventures), from DM’s winging it to people using the net-book of “Carnal Knowledge.”

Thirdly, the book will likely be a commercial success based solely on the sexual content and the controversy (such things sell like hot cakes).

Fourth, it will not damage the hobby or industry. What with the war on terrorism, the economy and other issues, people have better things to do with their time than kill D&D over a sex book. Nor is the fact that it is sexual in nature overwhelmingly damning. White Wolf has outright published material on necrophilia. If the hobby and industry can handle horny, sadomasochistic vampires then it can handle (pardon the expression) elf cleavage.

That said, how much actual active tabletop game use do you think this book will get?

At the risk of being blunt, (and admittedly without seeing the book) it seems likely it will get the same use as an issue of Hustler or a book of Kevin Taylor art. That is to say, personal and private use.

It simply seems unlikely that this book will find anything like the game use of even “Secret College of Necromancy” let alone the “Forgotten Realms Campaign Settings.”

Even in the game with the brothel (which the GM disliked as he was uptight and wanted to run a mostly clerics and paladins game but humored Ian and I with the house of ill repute) the sexuality took place “off stage,” so to speak. Seduction rolls were sometimes made, and two characters were quite active (proactive even), but the discussions were never graphic. At one point, a husband a wife joined the group and their characters were also sexually active – but again, the discussions were never graphic.

If you are actually aiming to broaden the horizons of gamers and to make them confront personal hypocrisy, you will probably be disappointed.

By comparison, Madonna has spent two decades doing that and while her work is a commercial success, she is widely despised.
 

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Love the sig Grumpy Celt. Yeah, it's off topic but heck, a little humor in this festival of debate was what I needed. Thanks!
 

BelenUmeria:
Second, how will you keep this material away from kids? It will be impossible to keep gaming material out of the hands of children. Many 18 year old high school students play with kids of younger age. I am certain that they will see no trouble in excepting the money of friends to buy the DnD porn book.

I don't find this as being a big problem, cause if a kid wants porn, and he has an 18yr. old friend thats willin' to buy him the stuff, I'm sure he(or she) would be more likely request sumthin' a bit more mainstream. I mean, would you (as a 15yr. old kid) rather spend $8 on a Penthouse, or $20-$25 on a D&D supplement w/ boobies in it ( I can say boobies right?).

Uh-oh *hides face because he knows the price for Penthouse*
 

Lord Ravinous said:

I can say boobies right?).

Of course. It's a kind of bird.

Just like an ass is a pack animal.

And a :):):):) is a rooster.


And they don't get filtered out, do they? ;) :D


edit: Took out my equivelent for a cat because it DIDN'T get filtered, and I thought it would. I just can't look at that particular word and think "cat."
 
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Squirrel Nutkin said:
To Whom it May Concern at Hasbro and WotC,

While many of the threads about Dungeons & Dragons on this board have been positive. I felt a need to speak out in opposition.

How will you keep these rulebooks away from kids? It will be impossible to keep gaming material out of the hands of children. You may not care if chidren get the material of not, but as a person living under the rule of the preachers in the bible belt, I have an interest in not seeing public railing against our hobby from the pulpit! Yes, demon-worship may be passe these days, but you are tapping right into the biggest fears among parents: theft, violence, and murder.

How can you justify this? What place does crime and bloodshed have in a game?

D&D will only serve to heighten the gamer stereotype of "trenchcoat mafia" kids with trigger-happy fingers. It will serve to fuel the image that a bunch of sociopathic guys play this game. It is a stereotype that I have worked against for a decade. It has been bad enough trying to get past people's beliefs and let them see the truth. Most people will see these books and never even take the time to listen!

I am not telling anyone that they cannot make crime and violence a part of their game. That is for each group to decide on their own. In fact, the GMs should be the one's making the material! It is a game of imagination afterall. Why do we need RULES for robbing and killing people? Did you ever consider that by turning crime into a die roll that you are lessening it in real life? Kids who get this book will not truly respect the act if they are "experienced" with in game murder! Or is this a liberal political agenda to bring more people around to your viewpoint by targeting people at a young age? Because it will be teens, especially angry young misfits who finds this book to be the most desireable.

I am sure that people will rail against me and bandy names such as troll and hippy. However, it is MY image that concerns me. I love Hasbro's less offensive card games and boardgames (except for Clue which is very inappropriate) and I hate that I have defend myself, my morality and my honor from people because of the existing stereotype. For those of you who want to say that this book will have no effect, that I am a doomsayer, or that I should not try to censure others for what they do in their private homes, then you are not seeing the point of my argument.

I have no desire to control what you do in your own group. You can still DO it. We do not need a public set of rules for burglary and murder in D&D. This is simply a move to create controversy in order to sell a product: D&D. I know that you do not care how we, the players, appear to others. You're in it for the money, but I do wish that you'd considered that angle.

The only thing that I can do is write you and let you know what I think. In fact, I will be sending multiple letters, including a petition started by my players and circulating around the local game shops and universities. I did not fight TV, movies, and video games, but I will not go quietly into the darkness on this issue.

Squirrel Nutkin

<sniff, sniff> I smell a troll.
 

Lord Ravinous said:


I don't find this as being a big problem, cause if a kid wants porn, and he has an 18yr. old friend thats willin' to buy him the stuff, I'm sure he(or she) would be more likely request sumthin' a bit more mainstream. I mean, would you (as a 15yr. old kid) rather spend $8 on a Penthouse, or $20-$25 on a D&D supplement w/ boobies in it ( I can say boobies right?).

Uh-oh *hides face because he knows the price for Penthouse*

Or he'll just go on the internet and get more porn than he knows what to do with, and spend his money on weed instead. I really think parents have a lot more to worry about than whether or not Timmy has seen a book that, from the sounds of it, has less nudity than a Playboy.
 

MerakSpielman said:
edit: Took out my equivelent for a cat because it DIDN'T get filtered, and I thought it would. I just can't look at that particular word and think "cat."

a kitty is something you put chips into when gambling.;)
 

Harlock said:
Based on the ridiculous press release [/SIZE]
I think that's the main reason for the current uproar about the book: A ridiculous press release.

Of course, controversy sells, so it was probably intentional. But it's still ridiculous.

After the author's post, the book sounds interesting. But that press release had me putting it on my "no way" list.
 

Harlock said:
At any rate, if this is not a bondage-filled fetish fantasy with blood and boobs, as it were, I'll likely not pick it up based on the cheap publicity stunt that press release may prove to be. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't you say? Why, yes, and as it's my dollar, I'll spend it how I please. As will you, I hope.

Absolutely.

I think we can all agree that the press release was unprofessional and poorly put together. The press release (which was not clearly a press release in the original gamingreport article,) makes the product look like an exceptionally tack excecise in pandering. Valar needs to hire themselves a publicist.

Actually, they could hire me. I can write better ad copy than that. And I work cheap. :)

Based on the comments, here and elsewhere, of some of the people involved, it looks like the book may be tasteful and respectful. It is possible to do mature material that way, and I see no reason why it can't be done for gaming.

Personally, I'm reserving judgement until I've seen it, or at least until I have more concrete info.

I do take issue with what I see as extreme overreaction from a couple of parties, but that's really another issue, and a conflict of personalities more than something that can be meaningfully debated. I'm done with the subject.
 


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