Awakening a tree -- Con score

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

As constructs, they gain immunities that plants don't get. I think it's silly that I can't kill an animated tree with a barrel full of Round Up.

 

[Chimera]

As constructs, they gain immunities that plants don't get. I think it's silly that I can't kill an animated tree with a barrel full of Round Up.

What's the Alchemy DC for making Round Up?

Is it an evil act? I'm sure the Forest types might see it that way.

 

[AuraSeer]

As constructs, they gain immunities that plants don't get.

They're not constructs. Read the spell. It specifically states that an awakened tree gets the Plant type.

 

[AGGEMAM]

They're not constructs. Read the spell. It specifically states that an awakened tree gets the Plant type.

Didn't you read any of the above posts?

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

What's the Alchemy DC for making Round Up?

Is it an evil act? I'm sure the Forest types might see it that way.

The DC is high. It's not an evil act. Yes, the druids, elves and fey will try to kill you.

 

[AuraSeer]

Didn't you read any of the above posts?

Yes I did, thanks for asking. The point of my post is that some participants here seem to be totally ignoring the spell description.

The tree is given stats as an animated object, with only the specified exceptions. Those exceptions are its type, mental stats (Int, Wis, Cha), and senses. Everything else remains the same, which means you get a plant creature with a nonability in Constitution. That's perfectly clear from the book, unless someone can point out a rule that says otherwise.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Yes I did, thanks for asking. The point of my post is that some participants here seem to be totally ignoring the spell description.

Ok. No offense was meant, but I think it was obvious that PSI didn't mean they were constructs but rather having the construct trait by virtue of being treated as animated objects.

 

[AuraSeer]

Ok. No offense was meant, but I think it was obvious that PSI didn't mean they were constructs but rather having the construct trait by virtue of being treated as animated objects.

None taken.
I'm not sure what you mean by "construct trait." Do you mean the Constitution nonability?

Construct is a creature type, and a creature can only have one type (plus subtypes). Making the spell target into a Plant removes its Construct-ness.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Construct is a creature type, and a creature can only have one type (plus subtypes). Making the spell target into a Plant removes its Construct-ness.

Not entirely. The spell says you treat the tree as an animated object, animated objects has among its special qualities construct traits. Then you apply the plant type, that involves changing any quality mentioned in both the construct type traits and the plant type traits to the latter types. Anything not mentioned in both, either remains unchanged or is added. Last you add the mental properties.

 

[CRGreathouse]

What I still don't understand from your argument, AGGEMAM, is this:

Constitution: Any living creature has at least 1 point of Constitution. A creature with no Constitution has no body or no
metabolism. It is immune to any effect that requires a Fortitude save unless the effect works on objects or is harmless. The
creature is also immune to ability damage, ability drain, and energy drain, and automatically fails Constitution checks. A
creature with no Constitution cannot tire and thus can run indefinitely without tiring (unless the creature’s description says it
cannot run).

Awakened trees are alive. Awakened trees (by virtue of their new Wis and Cha scores) are creatures, not objects. Thus, by the above quote, they must have Con scores!