Babes of Gencon SoCal 2003

[BrooklynKnight]

No problem, and thats fine, you're entitled to your own opinions. You're welcome to email me to discuss the above in detail however.

You are entitled to your opinion, but remebmer that its just yours, not societies as a whole.

Thanks for the civility.

 

[Silver Moon]

...And do you know why? Because of the use of the word "Babe" Babe is a judgement. And it's sexist. You've posted pictures here only because of the attractiveness of the women. In my opinion, that's sexist...But I have to ask, is this really the place?

It's not just you, I feel the same way. In fact I had avoided this thread until I saw there was a post here by you KidCthulhu. In my own opinion a thread about "GenCon Attendees in Costume" would be appropriate, and if the gallery had that title I would find no objection. I just find the "Babes of..." to be more representative of a different type of audience than we normally find here at ENWorld. Please note: I am not trying to start a flame war here. I just thought it was important to point out that KC is not alone in her opinion.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

I have no doubt she's not the only one. But Opinions are just that, Opinions, not facts.
Babe is simply a word, its being used in the context of Attractive Female Gamer.

Thats all.

 

[blackshirt5]

Count me in as another member who finds this thread mildly offensive instead of humorous.

 

[Angcuru]

To bring this discussion any further would really open a can of worms involving feminism, pornography, and a host of subjects that would get your thread closed faster than you can say Nemry. I don't wish your thread closed, and I don't believe that you will comprehend or be convinced by any arguments I may bring to bear on the subject.

You're not alone, KC. This discussion belongs elsewhere, not on ENWorld.

AQ, you say that opinions are just opinions. Perhaps it could be someone's opinion that these women are not babes. Some people may find them mildly repulsive, for one reason or another. So, it would be their opinion that these women are not babes. Babe is a relative term, an opinion. By judging a woman as a babe, you state that you care only for her outer appearance, not taking her into consideration as a person. Would you like for everyone to refer to you as *insert comment directed solely and appropriately towards AQ's bodily visuality* whenever they speak of you? I think not. Perhaps you should be talking about this in an alternate thread on Nutkinland, where you can balther on about whatever you wish without bothering and being bothered by anyone whose ideas may be contrary to yours. Perhaps it is someone's opinion that you do so. *points to self*

[Paragraph deleted by moderator. -Hyp.]

But, that's just my perspective on the matter, I could be wrong, I have been before.


Angcuru *likes to analyze the thoughts and mental states of others* Melaroira :

 

[Umbran]

By judging a woman as a babe, you state that you care only for her outer appearance, not taking her into consideration as a person.

Not necessarily true, Angcuru. Don't confuse what is stated with what is thought. The presence of only one printed word does not preclude the existance of other thoughts on the subject. We cannot, as a practical matter, state everything we might think about a person every time we speak of them.

The fact that ArthurQ thinks these women are "babes", for example, does not preclude the possibility that he also thinks they are brave, strong, self-assured women to not only wear costumes in public, but allow rather geekish men to take picutres and post them on a web page. But "Self-assured, Strong, Brave, and Beautiful Women of GenCon" is a pretty clunky title.

It is also possible that ArthurQ thinks no such thing. We ain't mind readers. So we should perhaps not try to guess what is going on in other people's heads too much, lest in so doing we become victim to the Telepath's Malady - in which the foot becomes lodged in the mouth.

In the end - the Powers that Be here have allowed such galleries for a couple of years now, so long as there's a certain amount of respectfulness about it all. KidCthulhu may be right, in that what an individual finds acceptable may be demeaning to the group. But we here at EN World are not in a position to debate who gets to decide what is demeaning to the group. And so, it perhaps should be allowed to rest.

 

[blackshirt5]

Well we could debate who gets to decide what is demeaning to the group, we just couldn't decide who gets to decide.

Savvy?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I notice...

Angcuru. Line crossed, and you know it.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Angcuru]

Angcuru. Line crossed, and you know it.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

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But, that's just my perspective on the matter, I could be wrong, I have been before.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But, that's just my perspective on the matter...

Calling it "your opinion" doesn't excuse personal sniping, and never has.

I've removed the paragraph in question. Email me if there's anything to discuss.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)