Babes of Gencon SoCal 2003

[Buttercup]

Fair enough, Umbran. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I find them sexist. That doesn't mean that anyone else might. Perhaps it might be better to say demeaning, not sexist. I find the use of the term "babe" and "girls" and asking women to pose in attractive, flirtaceous poses is demeaning to the women in question. That's my opinion.

You're right, I don't have a whole lot of grounds for asking for the thread to be closed. Nor would I, even if I had a ton of evidence. But neither can I go without speaking my feelings. Now I have, and we can all go back to looking a the nice ladies.

Thank you, Kid Cthulu, for saying these things. This thread makes me uncomfortable for the exact same reasons. I also find it demeaning. But I wasn't brave enough to say anything, because I'm pretty sure no one cares what I think about it. But it sure as hell doesn't make me feel welcome at EN World.

Now, as you were.

 

[Heretic Apostate]

It is my understanding that, when Sean Reynolds takes pictures of attractive women, he makes it clear to the subjects of the pictures that he'll be posting said pictures on the web in a gallery commemorating the event.

If a woman says no, then he doesn't take their picture. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Whether that is true in the case of the attendees of GenCon SoCal, I don't know...

 

[Hypersmurf]

It is my understanding that, when Sean Reynolds takes pictures of attractive women, he makes it clear to the subjects of the pictures that he'll be posting said pictures on the web in a gallery commemorating the event.

If a woman says no, then he doesn't take their picture. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Whether that is true in the case of the attendees of GenCon SoCal, I don't know...

All of the girls are aware that the photos go in an online gallery and all of them are pointed at Enworld if they want to see it. (not that it matters to you, i'm sure it doesnt).

-Hyp.

 

[Umbran]

Savvy?

No savvy. I don't see how such a debate would be effectively anything other than politics, a thing we are not in a position to do around here.

Whether that is true in the case of the attendees of GenCon SoCal, I don't know...

I believe ArthurQ has said earlier in this thread that the case was the same for the pictures he took.

 

[Piratecat]

But I wasn't brave enough to say anything, because I'm pretty sure no one cares what I think about it.

Ha! Wrong-o.

So, I ask myself: if this was "Blacks of GenCon SoCal," or "Jews of GenCon SoCal," would be allow it? "Babes" is a judgmental term with a positive connotation, but it has a certain leering creepiness to it that objectifies the people in it. I'm certainly not thrilled about it.

Truth be told, I'd rather have people feel welcome here - all people - than supply eye candy. I'd be more supportive of renaming these galleries, or of someone posting such a gallery on a separate web site then linking to it in their sig. The moderators will be discussing this. If we decide to change anything, we'll let folks know.

 

[Angcuru]

...I'm pretty sure no one cares what I think about it.

Now why in the world would you think that?

 

[BrooklynKnight]

I get the suspect feeling that If it wasnt Me doing these galleries that nobody would say anything negative about them.

 

[Piratecat]

Wrong-o there, too. This isn't about you, Arthur; it's about whether or not a "Babes" thread/gallery is what we want if we're trying to avoid being a men's club. It's something we'll have to examine.

 

[dream66_]

I get the suspect feeling that If it wasnt Me doing these galleries that nobody would say anything negative about them.

Well don't, I thought it was creapy when it was done the first time years ago not by you.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

uhuh, right. Not buying it. That might be the case for some of the mods, but not for some of the other people posting negative comments. Relative to things they've said elsewhere that i've read I doubt they're offended by this in any way and are simply using it as an opportinuty to do something negative to me or get under my skin by claiming to be offended.

For the record there are girls who arent offended by it.
Though a certain group of people will just use this as another opportinuty to ridicule me, dare i say, djeta never took offense to the babes of gencon.

None of the girls in the photos were offended (obviously, if they were they wouldnt be in them.)