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Esteban said:
Kenzer was demoing a western miniature game the name of which escapes me. Looked interesting, especially the plastic overlay to determine where a fig has been shot - supposed to be released at GenCon.


-Steve

Aces & Eights is the name and they have been working on it for a loooonnnngggg time now, I tried to pin the guys down about a release date in the "Meet the K&C Crew" seminar but there was no commitment outside of "it is 90% done in terms of the writing" from Dave K with Jolly nodding in agreement.
 

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Esteban said:
Kenzer was demoing a western miniature game the name of which escapes me. Looked interesting, especially the plastic overlay to determine where a fig has been shot - supposed to be released at GenCon.

That would be THIS, assuming it comes back from the printer in time. Otherwise, it won't hit until sometime after GenCon.

Aces & Eights: Showdown
This amazing supplement provides rules for any roleplaying or tabletop simulation of a Wild West shootout, and is both incredibly realistic and easy to use. As well as including a special Shot Clock combat simulator and Silhouette for fast and accurate shooting - where even a near miss can be deadly - Aces & Eights: Showdown provides both basic and advanced fighting and brawling rules. Whether you prefer a quick duel in the streets or a massive gun battle raging through town, this is one western book you can’t afford to miss!
K&C5001 (48 pages est., b&w, color cover) $14.99

The full-color, leatherbound roleplaying game will be next spring.
 

Mokona said:
Is Origins still more of a board and miniatures game show than anything else as it has been in years past?

Hard to say. It has plenty of minis, card games, and board games going but there are lots of role playing rooms and open table filled with gamers.
 

Mokona said:
Is Origins still more of a board and miniatures game show than anything else as it has been in years past?

I honestly have never had that experience.

Yes, Origins has a stronger war game presence than GenCon, but in the past four years, it has always felt like there was a stronger RPG presence than war game presence overall at Origins.
 

I spent time in both the RPG areas and the war game areas, and I would have to say that the war game areas were more consistently full of people. Granted, the war games take longer to play (a friend of mine played ONE GAME of BattleTech for 12 hours on Saturday!), and the RPG events are 4 hrs each (or less) for the most part. So perhaps the "fullness" of the areas is not indicative of popularity.

Compared to two years ago (I had to skip Origins 2004), the RPG area seems down in attendance. The RPGA was really, really busy, but not so for the rest of the RPG rooms (I saw a few rooms that had no more than one full table at a time. I'm not sure about the war game areas, but based on my limited experience in that arena, it seems about the same.
 

I went to Origins for the first time this year. My husband has attened GenCon for many years, but because of a family vacation, he won't be able to go this year. We all had a great time, including my soon-to-be four year old daughter. Her weekend was made when we bought her a "huge" green foam d6. The highlight of my weekend was learning how to play Killer Bunnies (a card game). What made it so special was the creator of the game taught us how to play. :D

I was impressed with Origins and the little extras they had for the family. We didn't go there, but they had a play room for children and they also had a room for game widows. Does GenCon do anything like that? We are hoping to go to GenCon next year, and since they sell dice there, our daughter will be very happy!:p
 

Yes, GenCon has an awesome Kid-Track for the kids (a kid room with volunteers, lots of games, their own TV & VCR / DVD and lots of kid-friendly movies and anime, etc) and the Spouse Track which tours the city checking out things other than gaming.
 

I looooooooooooooooooooove the GenCon kid room!

GenCon's Kid room is AWESOME, and its volunteers fabulous. I can't say enough great things about these guys, they made our experience last year so much the better! My then-9 year-old had to be dragged away from her friends in the room. Very nice system for checking kids in and out, definining privileges & gathering contact information for the parents, and a huge variety of games from which to play donated by publishers. IIRC, Pandahead games showed up to run a game, there was a round of Clayorama, crafts, kid-friendly anime donated by the local anime fandom society... But the best was the volunteers- they loved hanging out with kids- it wasn't some "job" for them- as a matter of fact, even when they were on break, they came to watch the Gelflings at the talent/costume contest.

player 2 said:
I was impressed with Origins and the little extras they had for the family. We didn't go there, but they had a play room for children and they also had a room for game widows. Does GenCon do anything like that? We are hoping to go to GenCon next year, and since they sell dice there, our daughter will be very happy!:p
 

Crothian said:
They always do that now it seems. Years ago I was able to get good deals at cons and that was one of the reasons to go, but these days there is little reason to goto cons just to pick books up as you will rarely find a deal. Even the discount booths this year were not that good.

That's funny. I ended up with ~$1000 worth of stuff for ~$400. There seemed to be plenty of deals to be found. As near as i can tell, every booth there was eating the sales tax, so that saves you ~5% right there. Green Ronin had a whole passel of books for $5 and $10. Paradigm had some discounted books. And bunches of other deals that i don't remember right now. Moreover, i found copies of recent-to-brand-new books at Titan Games and Chimera Hobbies for 50% off and better. My friend grabbed Iron Kingdoms, among other things, at half price. I got a copy of Alma Mater, still in original shrinkwrap, for $5. And, among other brand-new books, got Solid! for $10.

IronWolf said:
I would certainly think sales would increase in the dealer hall if there were more deals to be found. I don't really like to pay full price for books and tend to have the will power to not buy unless I feel like I am getting some sort of deal. Now that's not to say folks have to slash their prices to Amazon prices (or other online outlets) to get me to buy, after all instant gratification is worth something, right? But start knocking 20% to 25% off of items or Buy One, Get One deals and the chances of me buying things at the Con go up.

This year I spent very little money in the dealer room. The things I did pick up were mainly items that may not be in the mainstream areas. I had money to spend, but just felt I could get better deals elsewhere. These same sentiments were echoed by a few of my other friends as they wandered the halls.

What, Buy One, Get Three Free wasn't good enough for you? (seen at at least 2 places, one a retailer, one a publisher.) Not to mention the piles of $1, $3, and $5 books? TransHuman Space ($40 book) for $10? There were plenty of deals, if you looked for them. Also, a fair number of places gave you a discount if you bought a lot--save $10 if you bought all 3 books in a series, etc. My friend bought an $18 book and they threw in a $13 book for free. Not to mention the company that was giving away an iPod, no purchase necessary. Dunno how you can expect to beat a free iPod.

Anyway, i'd say there are two reasons to buy at a convention: you can't get it elsewhere (or at least not easily), and/or you want to support the company (since they get more money for a direct purchase). Because, IME, you can often get steeper discounts elsewhere, if you have a little patience.

All that said, think about the ramifications of what you're suggesting. If a book isn't worth cover price to you, then don't buy it at that price. But given that most RPGs are, at best, underpriced to begin with, also don't be surprised if the company isn't around for long if they can't sell their books at cover price. In general, RPG companies price their books quite reasonably--much more cheaply than books with similar production values and costs, and larger markets. If they can't sell them at their current prices, which aren't really high enough for anyone to make a living in the field, the best writers and artists will continue to flee the industry for more profitable fields. Conventions are expensive for companies who are selling--even selling books at full price they often take a loss. For them, a convention is basically an advertising expense. Most of them don't significantly discount their product as much because they can't afford to, as because of any worries about undercutting retailers.
 

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