Bards and their wacky arcane cure spells.

[JiffyPopTart]

Did someone somewhere mess up by letting bards (an arcane casting class) take Cure X Wounds?

It would seem like an elementary task for a wizard to learn the spell from a bard, and create a "wizard/sorcerer" variant of it, which would break a major boundary in DnD.

Should Cure spells be divine only?

DS

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

I don't mind it at all...it definatly makes the Bard unique, and it fits the flavour of the class, IMO.

However, it wouldn't be THAT easy to 'teach' the spell to a Wizard or a Sorcerer. Sure, a Bard could scribe it, but the spell still isn't on the Wiz/Sor spell list...so that's no use to them. Just because a spell is Arcane doesn't mean other Arcane casters can use it...not all Divine casters have access to the same spells.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Did someone somewhere mess up by letting bards (an arcane casting class) take Cure X Wounds?

It would seem like an elementary task for a wizard to learn the spell from a bard, and create a "wizard/sorcerer" variant of it, which would break a major boundary in DnD.

Should Cure spells be divine only?

DS

The rules don't allow it - but the rules are unclear enough that people still think a wizard could do it.

 

[RangerWickett]

And there's no good reason why we need a cleric class, when the whole magic system is pretty similar. One magic-using class, with different paths to specialization, would suit me much better than the five different classes we have now.

 

[Crothian]

Isn't that what they did in Unearthed Arcana?

 

[JiffyPopTart]

The rules DO allow for researching new spells. It seems like a short leap of logic for a wizard to spellcraft a bard casting CLW and saying to himself...man, I need to figure that one out. Since its established that is is possible for there to be an arcane healing spell, its not out of the realm of possibilty.

Im not saying that *I* would allow it as a DM, im just arguing semi-in-character.

DS

 

[Harlock]

How come this argument never comes up for Delay Posion or Speak with animals? Oh! Bards are Jacks of all Trades, masters of none? Well then...

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

The rules DO allow for researching new spells. It seems like a short leap of logic for a wizard to spellcraft a bard casting CLW and saying to himself...man, I need to figure that one out. Since its established that is is possible for there to be an arcane healing spell, its not out of the realm of possibilty.

Im not saying that *I* would allow it as a DM, im just arguing semi-in-character.

DS

Sorry, but that doesn't sound 'in character' thinking...that seems more power hungry type thinking.

But do people in the campaign world KNOW that Bards cast the same type of spells as Wizards and Sorcerers? Perhaps people would simply assume they cure with the help of a God.

Of course it's possible to research a spell like that. Using that logic, Wizards should just go and research Flame Strike or other very useful Divine spells. Sure, Bard's cast Arcane, but its still a completely different spell list from Wizards and Sorcerers.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

I think its totally "in character" to know the difference between divine and arcane magic. I think that would be a fairly elementary use of Knowledge (Arcane) or Spellcraft skills.

 

[VirgilCaine]

The rules don't allow it - but the rules are unclear enough that people still think a wizard could do it.

A wizard CAN have cure spells--if he uses Limited Wish to replicate Cure X Wounds. Thereby making the most expensive healing item ever, at 13th caster level.