Baseball discussion thread

[Gnome Berzerker]

So has Jamie Moyer, and so has every other pitchers to have ever played the game. It does and will countine to happen.

Incorrect. Not every pitcher to have ever played the game has beaned a batter.

As for Clemens: Both teams were warned. Clemens still decided to throw up and in to Manny, which should have, by the rules, gotten both him and Torre tossed from the game. Yes, Pedro threw at a batter first, but when an umpire decides to warn both teams, the matter is considered over.

It's kind of like when a moderator tells somebody to drop a certain subject: Sure, you may still have strong feelings towards the matter, but they need to be dropped to continue posting.

Clemens pitches old-school inside AND had a nasty streak if you annoy him (see Piazza, Mike) that makes him the 2nd dirtiest player in the game BUT Pedro is nothing but a head-hunter. Eric's Grandma would be flushing Pedro, not Clemens.

I could counter that this is nothing but Pedro bashing (or Gnome bashing, since above this quote your're accusing me of not knowing the english language). As for that mean streak that goes off when people annoy him, does owning a pitcher count as an annoyance?

As for Pedro, and his being a wuss, I agree. My opinion is that Pedro is the best 5-inning pitcher in baseball. He's too fragile to be considered elite IMO.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Incorrect. Not every pitcher to have ever played the game has beaned a batter.

Show me the career stats of someone of significance that never hit a batter in his professional career.

 

[BOZ]

poor cubbies... had a bad night. go get em next time.

 

[Gnome Berzerker]

Show me the career stats of someone of significance that never hit a batter in his professional career.

"Beaned" means "hit in the head," not "hit by pitch."

BTW, I just found a new shirt I've just got to have. It's the first one on www.yankee-hater.com

 

[John Crichton]

BTW, I just found a new shirt I've just got to have. It's the first one on www.yankee-hater.com

Those are kinda funny. Even as a NY fan. All that pent-up rage from no Series titles in 85 years. I hope I never get like that....

 

[Silver Moon]

No need for Pedro bashing - he did enough bashing for himself. It was pointed out today that because of Saturday's incidents it is highly unlikely that the Yankees will EVER seriously consider acquiring him. There are only a few teams who can afford him, the Yankees being the top one. Even if he spends his whole career in Boston, the possiblility of signing with New York always existed before as a negotiation tactic for a better contract. So even though MLB may have fined him $50K for Game Three it has probably actually cost him millions.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

"Beaned" means "hit in the head," not "hit by pitch."

Does it? You can throw at allot of body parts and still get a warning, even if you missed, but it all comes down to being hit by a pitch. Can you show me a definition that strictly says it’s hitting someone in the head?

 

[darkdancer]

before anything: I am a life-long redsox fan, despite years of living in nyc.

As for Clemens: Both teams were warned. Clemens still decided to throw up and in to Manny, which should have, by the rules, gotten both him and Torre tossed from the game. Yes, Pedro threw at a batter first, but when an umpire decides to warn both teams, the matter is considered over.

I gotta disagree with this one - when I first saw manny's reaction, I was inclined to agree, but after seeing the replay, I can't. That pitch was up but nowhere near his head.

Understandably with emotions running as high as they were, manny was entitled to an overaction, but the size and length of his overaction led to horrific repercussions. I think that given the circumstances, Clemens kept his cool remarkably well. Pedro was not so cool.

that said, red sox in 6!

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

No need for Pedro bashing - he did enough bashing for himself. It was pointed out today that because of Saturday's incidents it is highly unlikely that the Yankees will EVER seriously consider acquiring him. There are only a few teams who can afford him, the Yankees being the top one. Even if he spends his whole career in Boston, the possiblility of signing with New York always existed before as a negotiation tactic for a better contract. So even though MLB may have fined him $50K for Game Three it has probably actually cost him millions.

The Yankees will still pick him up, they may talk right now about never doing it, but the bottom line is that the Yankees don't like to lose, and have in the past taking chances with less than savory players, and giving second chances.

 

[John Crichton]

Allow me

Does it? You can throw at allot of body parts and still get a warning, even if you missed, but it all comes down to being hit by a pitch. Can you show me a definition that strictly says it’s hitting someone in the head?

From webster.com -

Main Entry: bean·ball
Pronunciation: -"bol
Function: noun
Date: circa 1905
: a pitch thrown at a batter's head