Baseball discussion thread

[Gnome Berzerker]

the few days i spent in high school were surrounded by mets fans, but that was 1986...an the high school was in manhattan anyway. and filled with snobby rich kids who were so obviously front-runners it made me sick.
see to me, growing up a yanks fan in the one dark period...yankees fans were REAL fans and mets fans were bandwagon jumpers. and 1995 was sad and 1996 was great! and suddenly all those mets fans became yankee fans..

but i always ask the most embarassing moment fromt he 80s to see if they are REAL fans. any takers?

So, now you know what it's like to be surrounded by bandwagon jumpers, right? Do you really think all those people would stick around if the Yanks became a bad team?

We're probably about the same age. I'm 27. I grew up in Yonkers, NY, as a Mets fan. Sure, I was 10 in 1986, which made life easy on me. You're right though, a lot of those people who rooted for the Mets back then have switched over to the Evil Empire. Bandwagoners suck.

As much as I hate the Yanks, if you really stuck with them through the 80's, then I can really respect that. I hope you feel the same about a Mets fan who still proudly wears a blue and orange cap every day, even if his team blows chunks.


Oh yeah, so anyway, I'm the world's biggest bandwagon Marlins fan for the next week or week-n-a-half.

 

[Gnome Berzerker]

I'm not condoning Zimmer's actions, but c'mon, he's 72 and has a plate in his head where he was almost KILLED by a bean ball. He's entitled to get upset when some idiot is throwing at his guys. I think what really got Zimmer riled was Pedro calmly threatening to hit people in the head, not the ball that almost got Garcia.

Give me a break. Zimmer is a jerk. He gets all upset when it's his player who gets thrown at, but when Clemens beans Mike Piazza, Zimmer calls Piazza a baby for getting upset about having to go to the hospital.

Hypocrasy at it's greatest.

I'm just glad the old bastard isn't coming back next year (it's in yesterday's papers).

 

[AlphaOmega]

I agree that rings mean something. but not as much as you are trying to make it out to be. The numbers are still comparable which was my point. No-hitters don't figure in as much because it depends on the fielders on the team as well as the quality of pitcher. As for World Series rings, Koufax had Drysdale to help win. Pedro is the only real bankable starter on that staff.

I know that numbers do not tell the whole story and am certainly not ignorant to that fact. The fact is that when he retires the numbers will match up and possibly be even better, championships and no-hitters aside. If Pedro were to retire right now he would make the Hall. And I hate Pedro.

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree John. Cause I think rings mean more than you're trying to downplay them as. I didn't begin the comparision of Pedro and Sandy. I only answered that while their career numbers are similar there are some differences. And one of those differences is winning in the postseason.

Once again, for the 3rd time, I must point out that I agree that Pedro will make the HoF. So please everyone, please stop trying to argue that he belongs in it because you are preaching to the choir.

 

[John Crichton]

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree John. Cause I think rings mean more than you're trying to downplay them as. I didn't begin the comparision of Pedro and Sandy. I only answered that while their career numbers are similar there are some differences. And one of those differences is winning in the postseason.

Perhaps I'm missing your point. But since you are agreeing that Pedro will go to the Hall of Fame then actually we are in agreement because that is all I was trying to say about Pedro in my post about Koufax. I wasn't going for massively deep analysis. Just a surface comparison.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Give me a break. Zimmer is a jerk. He gets all upset when it's his player who gets thrown at, but when Clemens beans Mike Piazza, Zimmer calls Piazza a baby for getting upset about having to go to the hospital.

Hypocrasy at it's greatest.

I'm just glad the old bastard isn't coming back next year (it's in yesterday's papers).

Lol. That's appropriate. It's okay for Pedro to throw at guys and then THREATEN to throw at 'em so you know it's no accident, but it's not for Clemens? Hell that ball at Piazza might have just gotten away from Clemens, but Pedro leaves no doubt by threatening the rest of the damn team.

 

[Gnome Berzerker]

Lol. That's appropriate. It's okay for Pedro to throw at guys and then THREATEN to throw at 'em so you know it's no accident, but it's not for Clemens?

I didn't say it was ok for Pedro, either. They're both in the wrong. They're both jerks, punks, or whatever else you'd like to call it.

Hell that ball at Piazza might have just gotten away from Clemens, but Pedro leaves no doubt by threatening the rest of the damn team.

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

I didn't say it was ok for Pedro, either. They're both in the wrong. They're both jerks, punks, or whatever else you'd like to call it.



Please tell me you're joking.

Nope. Nobody but Clemens knows whether or not he threw at Piazza, but by threatening Posada and the rest of the Yankees, Pedro did everything but deliver a handwritten confession.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

AL Rookie of the Year: Angel Berroa, He had a better second half than first, and his team won 21 more games than last year something that Godzilla can not claim. (His team actually lost more.)

AL MVP: I'm not sure is their anyone really desiring on a playoff team. Shannon Stewart
Energizing of the Twins was impressive but his numbers are not great. Maybe this is the year to give it to a non-winner… To bad A-Rods numbers where down this year or I think he would be a shoe in. All that said I give it to Alex Rodriguez for past performances and his numbers where still gaudy for a shortstop.

AL Cy Young: Roy Halladay

AL Manager of the Year: Tony Pena, Pretty sure no one will question this one...

NL to fallow...

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

The NL was much easier to due.

NL Rookie of the Year: Dontrelle Willis

NL MVP: Albert Pujols

NL Cy Young: Eric Gagne

NL Manager of the Year: Jack McKeon (Florida)

 

[John Crichton]

AL Rookie of the Year: Angel Berroa, He had a better second half than first, and his team won 21 more games than last year something that Godzilla can not claim. (His team actually lost more.)

I don't like that Matsui is eligible for the award, but a rule is a rule. It doesn't matter than Berroa's team is improved from last year, this catagory is for individual performance. Matsui has the better numbers and he will take the award.

Matsui:

Average - .287
RBI - 106
HR - 16
Hits - 179
Walks - 63

Berroa:

Average - .287
RBI - 73
HR - 17
Hits - 163
Walks - 29
Steals - 21 (caught 5)

AL MVP: I'm not sure is their anyone really desiring on a playoff team. Shannon Stewart
Energizing of the Twins was impressive but his numbers are not great. Maybe this is the year to give it to a non-winner… To bad A-Rods numbers where down this year or I think he would be a shoe in. All that said I give it to Alex Rodriguez for past performances and his numbers where still gaudy for a shortstop.

I wish I had an opinion on MVP. Ortiz for Boston, Posada for New York and Stewart for Minnesota all are contenders. Doesn't matter who wins this one.

AL Manager of the Year: Tony Pena, Pretty sure no one will question this one...

Hands down. Torre and Little are tied for second, not that it really matters.