Baseball discussion thread

[Brother Shatterstone]

You did forget runs...

Berroa 92
Matsui 82

Their fielding percentages where about even... 968 and 967, neither one of them great but Berroa really pulled it together at then end. Would have been nice to have had Sweeney and Beltran for the full years, as a club and also for Berroa Numbers.

Anyhow I think it’s going to be a very close vote.

 

[drothgery]

[postseason awards, specifically AL Rookie of the Year]

Anyhow I think it’s going to be a very close vote.

Don't you mean that you think it was a very close vote? The writers vote at the end of the regular season; they just don't announce the results until after the Series is over. Otherwise post-season heroics would count (even if they're not supposed to), and I suspect Matsui's clutch hit in game 7 would end up helping his cause a lot.

 

[stevelabny]

no rookie with 100 rbi has ever not won the rookie of the year award.
jackie robinson, kaz sasaki, and ichiro have all won rookie of the year after coming into mlb from another professional league.
winner: MATSUI

as for nl rookie: why would dontrelle win? compare his numbers with BRANDON WEBB. webb wins hands down. even SCOTT POSEDNIK on the brewers has a better case than dontrelle.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

[postseason awards, specifically AL Rookie of the Year]

Don't you mean that you think it was a very close vote? The writers vote at the end of the regular season; they just don't announce the results until after the Series is over. Otherwise post-season heroics would count (even if they're not supposed to), and I suspect Matsui's clutch hit in game 7 would end up helping his cause a lot.

I think it will be a very close race and I don't see an issue with the way I said it.

steve, first time for everything.

 

[John Crichton]

I agree that Berroa had a great year. However, the RBI's will push Double-zilla over the top.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I agree that Berroa had a great year. However, the RBI's will push Double-zilla over the top.

It probably will, but we shall see.

 

[John Crichton]

Okay, I think I just made him mad. 3 run homer in the first for Godzilla. Nice...

 

[Gnome Berzerker]

RBI and Runs scored are products of the players around you. Matsui has an incredible lineup, and with that many people on base in front of him, he's bound to get more RBI.

BTW, I could be wrong here, but isn't Berroa an infielder and leadoff hitter. It's more impressive for an infielder to put up good numbers than an outfielder, where it's expected. And if Berroa is a leadoff hitter, he's going to have a lot less RBI chances than a guy who hits 5th or 6th.

Still, it's hard not to give it to Matsui, who had a very good year.


As for the NL Cy Young, I hate it when a reliever wins the award. I know there wasn't a clear-cut winner among starting pitchers, and that Gagne did a wonderful job, but it still bugs me.

Originally posted by JRRNeiklot:

Nope. Nobody but Clemens knows whether or not he threw at Piazza, but by threatening Posada and the rest of the Yankees, Pedro did everything but deliver a handwritten confession.

Wasn't there somebody a few pages back suggesting that Pedro was indicating that Posada was crazy when he pointed to his head? (playing Devil's Advocate here, I agree that Pedro intended to hit that Yankee outfielder who's name I can't remember at 3:45 am).

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

RBI and Runs scored are products of the players around you. Matsui has an incredible lineup, and with that many people on base in front of him, he's bound to get more RBI.

BTW, I could be wrong here, but isn't Berroa an infielder and leadoff hitter. It's more impressive for an infielder to put up good numbers than an outfielder, where it's expected. And if Berroa is a leadoff hitter, he's going to have a lot less RBI chances than a guy who hits 5th or 6th.

Berroa is indeed an infielder (shortstop) he started the year batting around the 7th or 8th spot but really had at least 40 AB while batting 1,2,6, and 9. After Tucker broke his leg he moved to the leadoff position. He batted .333 in 63 AB while batting lead off.

He also out slugged Matsui, .451 to .435 something I found very interesting cause Berroa is 35 pounds lighter.

As for the NL Cy Young, I hate it when a reliever wins the award. I know there wasn't a clear-cut winner among starting pitchers, and that Gagne did a wonderful job, but it still bugs me.

Agreed, maybe Schmidt from San Francisco, but Gagne numbers are just too sick.

Wasn't there somebody a few pages back suggesting that Pedro was indicating that Posada was crazy when he pointed to his head? (playing Devil's Advocate here, I agree that Pedro intended to hit that Yankee outfielder who's name I can't remember at 3:45 am).

Yeah that was I against you!

 

[Qlippoth]

The biggest loser in the World Series will be FOX. A Boston or Chicago appearance would have increased the ratings for the series.

According to 1 study, a Chicago or Boston presence in the series would have produced a nightly 16+ rating, while the Yankees-Marlins is expected to receive a rating of only 12-13.

As far as I could tell, Fox lost on a lot of fronts this year: the usual inane commentary from its 2 broadcasters; all but trumpeting the Yankees' "inevitable" victory; commercials taking precedence over home runs; etc....