Battlefront 2021:The war for America; general thoughts

Keep In mind, I'm not a Poli-sci major. Nor am I an economics major or a general in the US army. :)

As I see it, One of the Biggest factors contributing to the collapse of the Soviet Union was the Economic and Military cost of the Failed war in Afghanistan.

If Mikhail Gorbachev (or his predecessors) had somehow managed to win this war (and perhaps gain control of the heroin market along the Silk Road) and bring the Afghanistan PDPA to power (thus creating a lucrative alliance with the nation) reforms such as Glasnost and Perestroika (which ultimately failed) might not ever have been implimented.

The USSR wouldn't have lost control of their media because of Glasnost, the traditional command planning structure wouldn't have undergone reforms under Perestroika, and especially, the Law on State Enterprise wouldn't have ever been brought to the table. We wouldn't have seen a coup attempt in 1991 by Boris Yelstin, which was really the last nail in the coffin of the Soviet Union.

An alliance and economic trade agreements with China might have went a long way towards bringing economic stability to the region. Aquisition of Western Information Technology might have also spurred the Soviet economy, allowing the nation to focus on ridding it's government of corruption and possibly even prevent the rise of the Russian Mafia.

In short, had a few things went differently, We'd still be in a "hot" cold war. Indeed, We'd probably see a hyper-escalation of the arms race (which I contend would have brought about rapid development in next-generation tech, like Robotics).

I'm still putting thought into this, but I'd love to hear your opinions.
 

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Here's a preview of one of the robots you'll find in Battlefront 2021:

UAW- 6 (Urban Assault Warrior) (PL-7)

History: In war-ravaged america, the UAW-6 comprises the bulk of the 203rd Robotic division of the reformation army. The UAW-6 was developed for action by the army for combat in urban environments. The design characteristics of the UAW-6 were geared specifically for combat against both communist insurgent groups and light armoured vehicles, making it the perfect bot for urban warfare in contested cities such as El-paso, Chicago, Las Vegas, St. Louis, Houston, San Diego and Seattle. Additionally, the robot is found along the various demilitarized zones in the southwest, central and northern regions of war-torn america, patrolling the borders of the communist nations of Latin America and the Canadian Communist Republic.

Using the UAW-6 in your campaign
The UAW -6 is a great robot for lightning assaults on fortified bunkers or military bases. Its mini-missiles pack a punch against hardened targets, while the concussion rifle and rail gun are capable of handling soft targets. The UAW-6 is also perfect for urban warfare and will always be a factor in sieges on a metropolis. Alternately, take them into space for ship to ship fighting or use them on the front lines of a planetary offensive!

UAW- 6 CR 8
Biodroid* fast hero 3/gunslinger 5
Medium construct (biodroid)
Init +10; Senses Class IV sensors; Listen +9, Spot +9
Languages English
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Defense 27, touch 21, flat-footed 23; defensive position
hp 58 (8 HD); MAS –
Immune biodroid immunities
Fort +2, Ref +9, Will +6
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Speed 30 ft. (6 squares)
Ranged +10 medium concussion rifle (2d6 plus special)
Ranged +8/+8 medium concussion rifle (2d6 plus special); lightning shot
Ranged +8 railgun (3d12)
Ranged +8 mini-rocket launcher (by rocket type)
BAB +5; Grp +5
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Abilities Str 10, Dex 18, Con -, Int 12, Wis 15, Cha 5; AP 4
SQ close combat shot, defensive position, lightning shot
Feats Improved Initiative, Personal Firearm ProficiencyF, Point Blank Shot, Precise ShotG, Simple Weapon ProficiencyF, Weapon Focus (concussion rifle)G
Talents Evasion (Fast), Full Alert (Fast)
Skills Balance +8, Knowledge (current events) +12, Knowledge (streetwise) +12, Listen +9, Sleight of Hand +13, Spot +9, Tumble +4**
Features Armor (resilium, integrated), Locomotion (human-like), Manipulator (human-like), Dexterity Upgrade +4
Accessories Magnetic Feet, Self-Repair Unit, 2 Weapon Mounts (rail gun, mini-rocket launcher)
Availability Restricted (+2); Purchase DC 33

*As a military unit this biodroid does not have a life-like appearance.
** The UAW suffers a -4 circumstance penalty to Tumble checks due to its bulky weapon mounts.
 

jdrakeh said:
You're kidding, right? In the same post you say that you are familiar with Rifts and haven't seen the US portrayed negatively in a roleplaying game? These two statements are directly at odds with one another (in Rifts, the US was a failed government usurped by the world's largest force of militarized bigots). :confused: And then, of course, you gave games like Conspiracy X, Shadowrun, Abberrant, etc. . . all of which paint various US government agencies as villainous organizations.

Well I don't own Conspiracy X, Shadowrun nor Aberrant so I will have to take your word for it. The first two were bought and did not catch my interest, in fact they were disappointing so they were hastily sold.
 
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Urizen said:
Here's a preview of one of the robots you'll find in Battlefront 2021:

The UAW -6 is a great robot for lightning assaults on fortified bunkers or military bases. Its mini-missiles pack a punch against hardened targets, while the concussion rifle and rail gun are capable of handling soft targets. The UAW-6 is also perfect for urban warfare and will always be a factor in sieges on a metropolis. Alternately, take them into space for ship to ship fighting or use them on the front lines of a planetary offensive.
...I'm not sure you really want to use a railgun for urban warfare. Unless you're postulating an army that doesnt mind tons of collateral damage and civilian casualties, I'd think the penetrating factor of your typical sci fi railgun would be just a bit overkill.

In any case, this seems more like a good 'General Purpose' type of unit more then a specifically urban warfare designed unit. For that I'd see stuff more like shotguns, grenade launchers, sniper rifles and increased sensory gear to better sort out hostiles and help avoid civilian casualties.
 

D.Shaffer said:
...I'm not sure you really want to use a railgun for urban warfare. Unless you're postulating an army that doesnt mind tons of collateral damage and civilian casualties, I'd think the penetrating factor of your typical sci fi railgun would be just a bit overkill.

In any case, this seems more like a good 'General Purpose' type of unit more then a specifically urban warfare designed unit. For that I'd see stuff more like shotguns, grenade launchers, sniper rifles and increased sensory gear to better sort out hostiles and help avoid civilian casualties.

Good call.

I might tone this one down a bit, or alter the description and make it more of a frontline unit and develop a PL5/Pl6 bot better suited for urban warfare.

Thanks for your feedback.
 

Just another update/ Preview.

A good chunk of this book is going to tackle the military in the post-modern world, so I felt it might be fun to create some rules for handling military ranks. Ranks within the context of a gaming group can be kind of tricky because nobody wants to lose control of their character's actions when another player "orders" them to do semething (Like Cleaning Latrines!)

So, I decided to tackle the subject a bit differently. Instead of providing rules for what a hero can do at a certain rank, I chose to differentiate between ranks by providing Conviction, Wealth and Reputation bonuses.

This book will be dual-statted, so the following information is geared towards true20, but rest-assured, there will also be an ogl version of this ranking system.

This is what I have so far. I'm no good at tables, so I apologize if this is hard to read. I'll be working on a PDF preview when I have time.

True20 Military Ranking System

What’s the difference between a private first class and a corporal, or a master sergeant and a warrant officer? What kinds of responsibilities does a person of a given rank have? Is there a large difference in pay? The following section examines these questions, providing Players and Narrators with a run-down of military ranks and their application in both the OGL and True20 systems.

Ranks and Conviction
As Heroes rise in rank, they gain conviction points to spend during the course of an adventure series equal to their current rank. These extra conviction points are added to their base conviction. So a 4th level Expert with the rank of seargent would have 7 points of conviction available for use, whereas a 4th level Private would only have 4 points of conviction.

Regaining conviction:
In addition to regaining conviction according to the rules on page 25 of the True20© Core rules, Heroes regain 1 point of conviction whenever they complete a mission objective, such as doing recon on an enemy base, taking a strong point, ambushing a patrol, capturing an officer, etc.

Table: Army Ranks
Rank Conviction Bonus Wealth Bonus Reputation Bonus
Commissioned Officers
General of the Army +10 N/A +12
Army Chief of Staff +10 N/A +11
General +10 N/A +10
Lieutanant General +10 N/A +10
Major General +10 +10 +9
Brigadier General +10 +10 +9
Colonal +9 +9 +9
Lieutenant Colonel +9 +9 +8
Major +9 +9 +8
Captain +9 +9 +8
1st lieutenant +8 +8 +7
2nd lieutenant +8 +8 +7
Warrant Officers
Master Warrant Officer +7 +7 +6
Warrant Officer +7 +7 +6
Warrant Officer +6 +6 +5
Warrant Officer +6 +6 +5
Warrant Officer +6 +6 +5
Non-commissioned Officers
Sergeant Major of the Army +5 +5 +4
Command Sergeant Major +5 +5 +4
Sergeant Major +4 +4 +3
First Sergeant +4 +4 +3
Master Sergeant +4 +4 +3
Sergeant First Class +3 +3 +2
Staff Sergeant +3 +3 +2
Sergeant +3 +3 +2
Corporal +2 +2 +1
Enlisted Personnel
Specialist +2 +2 +1
Private First Class +1 +1 +0
Private +1 +0 +0
Private (Recruit) +0 +0 +0
 

We have a solid timeline leading up to the year 2021.

I'm posting it here so ya'll can check it out.

Comments are most certainly welcome.


Battlefront 2021: The War for America – Timeline

2000: The U.S. presidential election ends in an apparent draw, prompting a rancorous debate over the role of the Electoral College.

2001: Islamic extremists launch a devastating terrorist attack on the United States, killing thou-sands. Congress passes the PATRIOT Act to bolster national security, while the President de-clares an international War on Terror.

2002: The U.S. invades Afghanistan, overthrows the fundamentalist Taliban regime, and uproots al-Qaeda. An insurgency quickly develops, hampering efforts to reconstruct country.

2003: The U.S. ignores international council and invades Iraq. Once again, an insurgency devel-ops, taxing the resources of an overextended U.S. military.

2004: Another contentious election reveals several irregularities in the U.S. electoral system. Talk of secession appears in the alternative media, first as a joke (i.e., the "Red/Blue divide"), but with increasing seriousness as the cultural impasse in the country intensifies.

2005: Hurricane Katrina devastates Louisiana and Mississippi. New Orleans is flooded, and hun-dreds of thousands of people are displaced. State and federal authorities, overwhelmed by the disaster, are widely perceived as incompetent.

2006: The Military Commissions Act effectively ends due process in the United States. Despite a Democratic victory in the mid-term elections, the White House increasingly governs by execu-tive decree.

2007: A wave of foreclosures threatens several large mortgage lenders, leading to a financial cri-sis as the dollar sharply devaluates. The stock market continues to fluctuate upward, however, al-lowing pundits to downplay other indicators that point to recession.

2008: Iran implements an oil bourse priced in non-dollar currencies. Within a week of its activa-tion, the U.S. launches air strikes in an effort to bring about immediate regime change. Instead, the Middle East is thrown into chaos as Iran invades Afghanistan and Iraq and closes the Strait of Hormuz. The loss of Persian Gulf oil triggers immediate fuel shortages. When Russia and China begin dumping dollars in retaliation for the attack on Iran, the U.S. is plunged into a hyperinfla-tionary depression. Predictably, this causes widespread civil unrest. The President invokes NSPD-51 to declare martial law, suspend national elections, and dissolve Congress. When the legislature refuses to disband, the military is split, and the country descends into civil war.

2009: Having been thoroughly infiltrated by Christian dominionists, the U.S. Air Force declares for the President, believing him to be the founder of a new evangelical state in North America. The international community is terrified by the prospect of the U.S. nuclear arsenal falling into the hands of religious extremists. Several European governments convene to discuss the possibil-ity of armed intervention. Meanwhile, the U.S. experiences open warfare between Red and Blue factions, with much of the fighting taking place in urban areas and along interstate highways.

2010: The EU deploys peacekeeping forces to the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, landing troops in and around Chesapeake Bay. The reaction to the invasion is mixed, with some Ameri-cans welcoming it as a stabilizing influence and others deploring it as a violation of national sov-ereignty. In the interior, large pockets of majority-Red or Blue territory form as refugee flows redistribute people according to cultural values.

2011: A European breakout from the Chesapeake beachhead elicits a tactical nuclear response from Red forces in Virginia. Baltimore is destroyed in the cross-fire. A retaliatory strike launched by France) levels Norfolk, and the world is momentarily brought to the brink of nuclear war. Faced with the lunacy of the dominionist bloc within the Red faction, several states declare themselves to be separate and neutral countries. Fighting temporarily ceases as the Union frag-ments.

2012: The Dominion of Christ Triumphant, based in the American Midwest, invades Canada in order escape encirclement by hostile neighbors. Despite fierce resistance, Canada is cut in half. Quebec secedes and requests military assistance from the EU. The remaining provinces follow suit. European and Dominion forces clash briefly in Ontario, but renewed fears of a nuclear ex-change lead to a negotiated ceasefire -- the so-called Christmas Peace.

2013: The Treaty of Boston establishes nine U.S. and Canadian successor states on the North American continent. In the American Southwest, a growing Chicano insurgency known as the Aztlan Revolutionary Front (swelled by refugees from an unraveling Mexico) demands recogni-tion under the treaty, but is denied.

2014: The ARF captures Los Angeles and declares the formation of an independent Aztlan na-tion. Thousands of Anglos (including blacks and Asians) are stripped of their property and de-ported -- or simply murdered. Those that remain are subject to discriminatory "ethnic remedia-tion" laws. Tired of war, the other successor states protest loudly but decline to intervene.

2015: The European Union develops an advanced missile defense system as a hedge against nu-clear brinkmanship. To mollify Russia and China, the EU shares this technology with all inter-ested nations, forming an interlocking "global shield" that effectively ends the era of Mutually Assured Destruction. Perversely, this results in more frequent conventional wars, as countries no longer need fear catastrophic escalation.

2016: In the absence of widespread fighting, developments in molecular engineering and bio-technology begin to percolate throughout North America. Microbial bio-fuels and photovoltaic paints, which can be synthesized almost anywhere, virtually eliminate the continent's dependence on imported fossil fuels, removing a major constraint on the battered American economies.

2017: In lockstep with the nascent biotech revolution, advances in computers and robotics pro-duce versatile cybernetic systems for commercial and military use. In North America, this results in an arms race, as the successor states overhaul their dated militaries with new hardware de-signed after the civil war.

2018: Aztlan invades and annexes the northern states of Mexico, ostensibly to suppress warlord-ism in the failed republic. Far to the south, Mayan rebels declare the Zapata Autonomous Zone. The country lacks a central government -- being essentially an anarchist stronghold -- yet man-ages to repulse all efforts by neighboring states to subjugate the territory.

2019: Sectarian divisions between Charismatics and Evangelicals within the Dominion threaten to split the country. In an effort to promote unity, the theocratic government launches a propa-ganda campaign against the Latter Day Saints, painting Mormonism as an intolerable heresy. Border incidents proliferate as Christian militants cross into Deseret and attack Mormon towns. Fearing dismemberment, the government of Deseret proposes a mutual-defense pact with Pacifica and Lacustria, and the Coastal Alliance is born. To counteract this threat, the Dominion negotiates with Aztlan and the Confederacy (strange bedfellows, but the only receptive powers on the continent) to form the Interior Coalition.

2020: Hostilities between the Dominion and Deseret escalate into a shooting war following a raid on Logan, in which the city's temple is burned. Initially, the Alliance governments refuse to mo-bilize, hoping to negotiate a peaceful settlement; however, when troops from Aztlan seize St. George, it becomes apparent that a general war is unavoidable. The Second American war, as the conflict comes to be called, opens with a massive Coalition assault on Deseret, which is nearly overrun. Only the last-minute Pacifican reinforcement of Salt Lake City preserves the Mormon population from genocide at the hands of Dominion zealots.

2021: The present day.
 

Urizen said:
Keep In mind, I'm not a Poli-sci major. Nor am I an economics major or a general in the US army. :)

As I see it, One of the Biggest factors contributing to the collapse of the Soviet Union was the Economic and Military cost of the Failed war in Afghanistan.

If Mikhail Gorbachev (or his predecessors) had somehow managed to win this war (and perhaps gain control of the heroin market along the Silk Road) and bring the Afghanistan PDPA to power (thus creating a lucrative alliance with the nation) reforms such as Glasnost and Perestroika (which ultimately failed) might not ever have been implimented.

The USSR wouldn't have lost control of their media because of Glasnost, the traditional command planning structure wouldn't have undergone reforms under Perestroika, and especially, the Law on State Enterprise wouldn't have ever been brought to the table. We wouldn't have seen a coup attempt in 1991 by Boris Yelstin, which was really the last nail in the coffin of the Soviet Union.

An alliance and economic trade agreements with China might have went a long way towards bringing economic stability to the region. Aquisition of Western Information Technology might have also spurred the Soviet economy, allowing the nation to focus on ridding it's government of corruption and possibly even prevent the rise of the Russian Mafia.

In short, had a few things went differently, We'd still be in a "hot" cold war. Indeed, We'd probably see a hyper-escalation of the arms race (which I contend would have brought about rapid development in next-generation tech, like Robotics).

I'm still putting thought into this, but I'd love to hear your opinions.


How far back to you want do go? A major, MAJOR turning point was the removal of Kruschev, who in some respects was trying to do what Gorbachev did decades earlier.
The problem is, the Afghan war didn't kill the USSR, but it did show what had been known by many people for decades before-- communism was destroying their economy, the "five year plans" were based on lie after lie, (in one case, an ENTIRE FACTORY that had been mentioned as producing materials never actually existed) and the state was completely unable to keep up technologically with the US.
A Kruschev dominated soviet Union, say if he had been in for twenty years after he was deposed in our "Real world" might have been considerably different-- still communist, but open enough that some of the major problems that brought it down never would have gotten to the size they did. A more liberal USSR wouldn't have faced the brain drain it did, or in all likely hood, the ethnic tension that marked the 1990's.
 

Oregon would split in half. Eastern Oregon would probably go with Idaho (very conservative politically) while Western Oregon is VERY liberal. The western portion of the state would probably go with California politically.
 

Charlesgray109 said:
How far back to you want do go? A major, MAJOR turning point was the removal of Kruschev, who in some respects was trying to do what Gorbachev did decades earlier.
The problem is, the Afghan war didn't kill the USSR, but it did show what had been known by many people for decades before-- communism was destroying their economy, the "five year plans" were based on lie after lie, (in one case, an ENTIRE FACTORY that had been mentioned as producing materials never actually existed) and the state was completely unable to keep up technologically with the US.
A Kruschev dominated soviet Union, say if he had been in for twenty years after he was deposed in our "Real world" might have been considerably different-- still communist, but open enough that some of the major problems that brought it down never would have gotten to the size they did. A more liberal USSR wouldn't have faced the brain drain it did, or in all likely hood, the ethnic tension that marked the 1990's.

Hiya, Thanks for the insights.

We're not going back that far. We've decided to tackle this campaign model in a slightly different way.
 

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