Best of the Best - Leaders.

[Panthine]

Goddammit all bow before the Artificer
- Restorative formula gives a +1 AC boost until used and temp hp is DOUBLED for a feat @ paragon
- Sharing of party healing surges (you know some guys never use em all)
- INSANE at-will Magic weapon
- Temp HP buffer just for using a magic item daily NEAR one!
- Recharging magic daily item powers FTW!

 

[Rothe_]

Artificers don't get a lot of votes because they are Eberron stuff. I would guess that less than half of the players voting have actually even used any eberron stuff at all.

I voted for Valorous Bard. I think it has great potential and I also had one epic Valorous Bard/Warchanter in our party played by a friend - that one also had a nice epic destiny (forgot the name) that gave our party awesome buffs and played with quite nice AP related abilities too in some really tough fights.

As someone else mentioned, healing is not he only important thing. In fact, a decent healer that has good buffs is a lot better leader in my opinion than one who focuses strictly on healing.

 

[Camelot]

I love bards on a personal level, because if I lived in medieval times, I'd be a bard. =) Plus, you can annoy the heck out of everyone else at the table with singing and poems and stuff! All in good fun of course.

However, I voted for the tinkerer artificer, because I think that creating clockwork battle machines is pure awesome, and they way Healing Infusion works, you can heal but anyone can spend the healing surge for the player who got healed. So, you can spread your healing surges around to those who need them more than you!

 

[Turtlejay]

So the goal here is to do this once for each role. . .then what?

Do a poll for each winner, to decide the best race. Tactical Warlord is winning this one, so do a poll for which race makes the best one.

Then build the ultimate 4 man party as decided by the forum. Maybe make another thread about the best 5th man to have.

I kind of think this is a tough call, since you can focus a leader in a couple of different ways. Healer or buffer both spring to mind.

Jay

 

[Kzach]

Then build the ultimate 4 man party as decided by the forum. Maybe make another thread about the best 5th man to have.

Pretty much.

It all started with a discussion I had elsewhere where we noted that 4e has no iconic characters like 3e did and that we should make up our own. That then moved into an argument over which classes and races were 'iconic'.

At first, it was going to be all races and classes available via the Character Builder, but later we decided that it should be PHB core only. Hence why the polls include non-PHB core classes and why now (in the race polls) I'm restricting it to PHB core only.

At the end of the day, it's just some fun and a means to spark conversation. I've certainly enjoyed the polls so far.

 

[DracoSuave]

As an aside, the best 5th man is not Snails.

Therefore, the best 5th man must be anti-Snails.

What is the Anti-Snails? Discuss.

 

[Camelot]

Some of the best races are in non-PHB supplements: Genasi, Drow, Changelings, Warforged, and the cool monster races. I don't think you should limit it to PHB races, but remember that the people who only have the core books will vote for the races they've experienced, from the PHBs, and therefore even if you include other races, the PHB races will have a better chance of winning.

 

[Garthanos]

Some of the best races are in non-PHB supplements: Genasi, Drow, Changelings, Warforged, and the cool monster races. I don't think you should limit it to PHB races, but remember that the people who only have the core books will vote for the races they've experienced, from the PHBs, and therefore even if you include other races, the PHB races will have a better chance of winning.

On this I agree... Genasi dont do much for me but the others you mention do and Minotaurs are cool too.

 

[Lucas Blackstone]

I'm really surprised the Warlord is so far ahead. Healing is what the leader is all about and Clerics dominate, especially with the addition of Divine power.

It your foes are played intelligently, they will easily focus fire down group members and the poor healing of the Warlord will not pull you through. Granted some fights the enemies shouldn't fight as effectively as others ( lets say oozes as compared to actually intelligent foes ) but in general if your foes are intelligent they will use the same tactics as PCs, the most important of those being focus firing.

 

[Destil]

Wow, can't believe the Tactical Warlord is winning this one. Haven't there been numerous threads on how that's a generally underpowered build? Maybe people are starting to see the value of teamwork.

Anyway, I'm still for devoted cleric. Awesome at wills, extra healing, great bonus tossing powers and a controller suite that made the PHB wizard cry. What more do you need? (Battle Cleric likewise gets credit for Brand and Warpriest).