D&D 5E BG3 is once again a Platinium Selling Game in 2024, without selling a DLC.

[Paul Farquhar]

I don't know what that is.

It’s googlable.

 

[Reynard]

It’s googlable.

You brought it up in a specific context as some sort of mic drop, and you want me to Google it?

Lol.

 

[bedir than]

People insisting that every game must be the same quality as BG3 are the types that insist that they should be able to get a 102% grade on a test.

The baseline cannot be the best thing that has ever happened

 

[Paul Farquhar]

You brought it up in a specific context as some sort of mic drop, and you want me to Google it?

Lol.

In the time you spent replying to my posts you could have found out what happened.

I don’t want to give my version of events because you have no reason to suppose my account to be impartial.

 

[MGibster]

Looks at EA and Activision games... You were saying... There are TONs of games that have hyped immensely, have become immensely popular, have made tons of money and are deeply flawed. It also depends on what you mean by 'quality', do you mean technical 'quality', like in literature? Or something else?

We typically play games to have fun, so I measure the quality of a game by how fun it is to play. Of course what's fun can come down to a matter of tastes, so I'm not going to say games like Stardew Valley or The Sims are bad simply because they're not to my tastes. The first Mass Effect game was flawed, hunting resources on planets was a dull activity that did nothing to improve the game, but overall it was a fun game to play and it kept me coming back for the second and third installment. Star Wars: Jedi Survivor is a fun game. Is it flawed? Yes. The game includes multiple lightsaber combat options but there's absolutely no reason to use any of them except for the single blade stance you start out with.

What I mean by hype and gaining traction outside the normal niche. I've seen/heard people buying BG3, while they normally wouldn't touch a cRPG with a ten-foot pole. I wonder how far those people actually played before moving on to the next shiny.

I don't know. I happen to think the hype surrounding BG3 is well deserved because it's a pretty good game. Probably one of the best CRPGS I've played in a number of years, certainly the best one I've played based on D&D. If someone does like CRPGs I don't imagine they'll like BG3 all that much though. I hate meatloaf. The food not the singer. The singer is delightful. I don't care how good your mom's meatloaf recipe is, I'm not going to enjoy it, but then I don't expect to enjoy it no matter how good everyone says it is.

I'm not saying that BG3 is a bad game, I'm saying that we should separate the hype from the actual game. 'Platinum' status, thus sales don't say anything about quality, it just says something about sales.

I think it does say something about the quality. How many genuinely bad games sell so many copies? I don't mean games you don't particularly care for, but games that are just bad.

 

[Zardnaar]

BG really good early on on replays ACT 2 and 3 have issues.

 

[Seramus]

In the time you spent replying to my posts you could have found out what happened.

I don’t want to give my version of events because you have no reason to suppose my account to be impartial.

I'm cool with your version of events. What happened?

 

[Reynard]

In the time you spent replying to my posts you could have found out what happened.

I don’t want to give my version of events because you have no reason to suppose my account to be impartial.

So I Googled it and don't see how it's relevant. I wasn't suggesting devs denigrate their own product.

 

[MGibster]

The baseline cannot be the best thing that has ever happened

There is wisdom in this. I might think BG3 is better than Fallout 3, but that doesn't make Fallout 3 a bad game.

BG really good early on on replays ACT 2 and 3 have issues.

Act 3 was the more difficult for me. I got there and had a hard time figuring out what I was supposed to do. It's also very easy to miss some very interesting stuff.

 

[Dross]

No one said that. What people -- that is, developers and publishers for AAA studios, in the wake of BG3's success -- said was that they should not be held to the same quality standard as this other studio.

Yes they should. they are asking for my same money. I don't particularly care that they are owned by massive publicly traded corporations who can only see to the next quarter. Make a good game, or don't expect my money.

Sven's public takedown of the industry at the Game Awards was long overdue.

What AAA studios said wasn't part of the discussion until after my reply.

What the post said that drew your 'try harder' response was 'not all games will be of BG3 quality'. What I said was that smaller companies, even if trying harder, couldn't make a BG3 quality game, and stated some reasons why. Nothing at the time of my post indicated limiting the try harder to only a subset of studios or developers, so I am at a loss as to what your first sentence refers to.

The discussion is not limited to only AAA studios. Yes they are the main players, the games mentioned were from these studios, and profits of AAA were discussed (mostly after your 'try harder' comment). If I've missed where someone said AAA studios only in this discussion please tell me. Otherwise my statement stands.