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"Big Fish" Thoughts (long)

The Grumpy Celt

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As they say in the movie “Big Fish,” fate does indeed circle around on a man and it eventually had me leaving Austin – that quaint Texas drinking town with a political problem – for the very small Eclectic, Alabama.

Eclectic – the actual name of the town – is 11 miles east-north-east of Wetumpka, Alabama, where much of “Big Fish” was filmed last year. I am also a long time Burton fan.

So once I found myself a long ways from my spiritual home – the draft house and the Austin downtown – I also found myself with something pertinent to say about a movie by a director I enjoyed, filed at locations I recognize.

I was disappointed by “Big Fish.”

“Big Fish” was adapted from a novel by former Wetumpka resident, Daniel Wallace. He has a cameo in the movie as the tedious economics professor whose slide presentation is interrupted by one of Edward Bloom’s profession of love. Wallace has written another book, the “Watermelon King” which is receiving local praise.

The book is, of course, longer and features more fanciful stories, such as Edward Bloom’s encounters with Amazon warriors and how he could run so fast he could get to a place before he actually started running. The section where William Bloom is at the deathbed of his father also covers several chapters.

Most of the tales also have a kind of joke quality – a kind of shaggy dog feel – to them, much like the story and joke Edwards tells his daughter-in-law about the death of the milk man.

Wetumpka itself is an attractive place, in a small town kind of way. Several million years ago there was a meteor strike in the area, which means the downtown areas is in a bowl in addition to being along the Coosa River. As such, the streets intersect is odd and sharp ways.

This worked out well for the film-makers. All the street scenes were filmed in Wetumpka, from the mob scenes to the bank robbery. The large building behind the mayor-character in the mob scene is the actual Elmore County Courthouse. The front of a book store can be briefly seen in where Edward and Norther race from the bank – the movie people relettered the window of the actually town “Mom and Pop” book store for the scene.

There are two bridges crossing the Coosa River, an older one in the downtown and a newer one just north of the downtown. The older one is the one seen in the movie and filming on it closed it for traffic for two days or so. Some of the locals protested because it meant the traffic on the northern bridge got worse.

The shots along the river, from fishing, to talking to the giant to William letting Edward go, could have been filmed nearly anywhere. However, there are no caves like that along the river and anyway, Alabama law prohibits giants from living in river-side caves.

The movie was filmed last winter and spring. It was usually rainy for Alabama last spring and this put the production behind schedule somewhat, as they were waiting for clear days. The weather seen during the funeral is what most of the region looked like for most of the spring.

Most of the cast and crew acquired a good reputation for being open and friendly, except for Jessica Lange – she was described as being standoffish, but not quite rude.

The cities of Ashton and Spectre do not really exist. However, Auburn does and it is home to one of the largest and the most elite schools in the state. The buildings seen in the scenes where Edward is wooing Sandy are real buildings on the campus of Auburn University.

The Bloom house is actually a one-story building in Wetumpka. The upper floors were just added walls and gables to make it look bigger.

The movie is colorful and vibrant for Burton, as compared to be charcoal palette of “Edward Scissorhands,” “Batman” or “Sleepy Hollow.” It is also a fun tale, from Edward’s sports victories to his stumbling into the Normal Rockwell-like town of Spectre to playing fetch with a werewolf.

However, I was never able to entirely get over what was arguably the message of the movie – that Edward’s tall-tales where more important than the truth because they were more entertaining.

I am myself a reporter – rather like William but I have a much better relationship with my own father – and I at least try to cleave to the truth in my writing and work. Fabricating and exaggerating “facts” and stories is unethical. That is not to say it never happens – just that it should not be rewarded when it does.

That is exactly what Jayson Blair did and he deserved to be hung-out and dried for it.

Fiction is all well and good, and socially and psychologically we need it, but we must live on facts and trying to replace life with fantasy is a bit pathetic.

As a southern myself, I am familiar with tall-tales. However, as I am over 30 and not 3, they ware on my nerves.

People – at least southerners – tell these stories because they feel small. They tell these stories because they often have small lives, small experiences, small education and small minds. Nonsense about how parrots talk about anything but religion (because that would be rude) is just a sad and childish attempt to fill that void between the small person and the larger world. Rather than truly learning about the world, rather than truly living in the world, they make-up nonsense about the world. It reflects their ignorance but is seen as pardonable because it has the razzle-dazzle of a circus side-show barker.

I have a good relationship with my father and he has told me stories of his life. But he has not run any of them into the ground and none of them involve love at first sight, big fish or hungry giants.

The other possible message, about a son and father reconciling, was good.

Albert Finney gives a good performance as a dying man – I have had people in my life die slowly and his performance was as close to the real thing as it could be without becoming a turn-off. Ewan McGregor also gave a vibrant performance as the man-myth. Lange, standoffish or not, was not really given enough to do, other than to stand around, smile a lot and occasionally grieve, in her role as Sandy Bloom.

Billy Crudup (what a terrible stage name – he really should have come up with a better one), Helena Bonham Carter, Steve Buscemi, Danny De Vito, Marion Cotillard, Matthew McGrory and Alison Lohman all give solid performances. It was also good to see Robert Guillaume again and he carried the perceptive physician role well.

The special effects are lovely; particularly the bit where Edward brushes away popcorn hanging in the air as he crosses the circus once time has stopped. The soft look of the stories and the lack of real detail to the fish also helped as these were “myths.”

When Carter appeared as the “Witch,” she reminded me a bit of some of my older female relatives. However, in the other role she played, as the older Jenny, she did not appear old enough – she should have been at least 20 years older than Crudup, but instead only appeared a few years older than him. This is not a complaint about Carter’s performance, just the work of the make-up people. She carried both roles well and I wonder what I would have seen in that glass eye – at a guess it would involves tequila and the paper’s press machine.

The movie is fun, but if it has a message, at best that message misses the mark.

For information from people who disagree with me: http://romanticmovies.about.com/gi/...ser.com/specialreports/BigFish/movieInfo.html

As an aside, “Big Fish” went into limited release before Christmas. It only went into wide-release last Friday. I suppose the powers-that-be did not want to movies in wide release at the same time involving attacking trees and finding golden rings in rivers while fishing.
 
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Well, I can see where you are coming from, but I also disagree with you.
I haven't seen the movie (doesn't open for some time in Germany), but I don't seem to recall the dying father was a journalist and told these stories in the newspaper, did he? If he did, then he's just another Stephen Glass, and you're right to critisize him.
But I don't think it's wrong to embellish stories and invent events. It's not about the even per se - you don't want to become known and perhaps accoladed as the man to play fetch with a werewolf. It's about the truth behind those stories, about the greater themes, and sometimes just about escaping your world for a moment.
To me, the best fictional stories are those that have me entering another world - whether it's a world of hobbits and elves, or of female detectives in gritty New York - and then also give me something to keep when I get back to my room, or the train, or the cafe (or the theatre seat, for that matter).

I am already looking forward to Big Fish, ready to immerse myself in tall stories and see whether they contain anything worthy of a tale, something that goes beyond the mere text, a greater truth. Is it a romticized notion - most assuredly. But I have to live in the real world long enough. Two hours away from it will not hurt me.
Of course, I have to see the actual movie in order to disagree with you on the quality of the film itself. Perhaps it really says you should lie in all your recountings, but I hope it just tells you to keep a little fantasy alive even in dreary circumstances. :)

Then again, my parrots would probably speak French and curse God for being such a stuck-up :D
 
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I found this a good movie. I took it for a 2 hour entertainment and that's what it did. I think yiou might be looking a little too close at the movie. I didn't know it was a book, and from past experiences I'm glad I didn't. That can very easily taint one's opnion as books and movies are very different mediums.
 


I thought that it was a good movie, but certainly not a great one. I thoroughly enjoyed Ewan McGregor's performance, but I found the ending of the film to be mostly unsatisfying.
I didn't feel that the son had really come to know his father any better--he just kind of accepts that his father is a liar and that he'll most likely never truly know him and decides that he's okay with that.
It just didn't strike the right chords with me, I guess. My favorite Tim Burton films are still Sleepy Hollow and Ed Wood. I am definitely glad that I saw Big Fish and I recommend checking it out, but it isn't one that I think I'll be adding to my home collection.
 
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I, too, come from a small town in Alabama. However, I enjoyed this movie and consider it Burton's best so far. The only discrepancy I found was the whole issue of the Korean War and Edward’s actions in the war. Of course, this is presented as another tall tale, but it is pointed out that Edward really was MIA during the war. That has considerable impacts as the war ended fifty years before the movie’s setting. Having Edward to be in his seventies makes sense…until you factor in the people around him. His son had to have come late in life for this to happen as it doesn’t seem feasible for him to be much older than 30. We are presented with Danny DeVito’s character that was clearly much older than Edward, but appears to be of comparable age at the funeral.

I believe I need to track down the novel.
 

ArcOfCorinth said:
Danny DeVito’s character that was clearly much older than Edward, but appears to be of comparable age at the funeral.


Perhaps his being a werewolf increased his natural lifespan. ;)
 
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Vocenoctum said:
Okay, so perhaps someone could tell me...
What exactly is the movie? The commercials tell me nothing!
:)

A son, who is a "just the facts" type of guy is estranged from his father, who is a "the fish was thiiiiiiiisssssss biiiiiiiiiiiig" type of guy. The father is dying and the two have to reconcile.
 



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