Black Panther Trailer

I never get the “why didn’t Tony/ Cap/ Thor call for help?” question. ...

Well, if you never understood it before I'm probably not going to be the one to change your mind. I can, however, point out that it's a well documented problem. Even within the MCU. Especially within the MCU. Heck, even the writers admit that it's a problem. That's why there are so many in-universe "justifications" for it noted on that page. Unfortunately, most of those justifications start off thinner than a kleenex, and only get worse as Sequel Escalation ramps things up over time.

Why I brought it up here, though, is that I honestly think your opinion is right for Black Panther. In the context of this movie, it actually makes sense, and I think that deserves a lot of credit. It required a combination of good story writing, good plot design, good character creation, knowledge of the universe, and a lot of restraint to pull it off.
 

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Derren

Hero
Hey, speaking of not answering.... You still haven't told me wich Captain America movies I should watch if I want to see a Superhero movie.

Civil War because of everyone else besides Cap.
Why do you think I have used Captain America as comparison to Black Panther? Because he is the least "super" of the superheroes in the MCU (Not counting people without any official superpower and Bucky). But apart from the short airport fight the Captain America movies aren't superhero movies either. Although at least the existence of superpowers is important for the plot in Civil War.

Cap suffers from the same problem as BP that his superpower is something any action hero has. Even Falcon is more super than he in Cap2. The only advantage Cap has over BP is his shield which he can use to do crazy stuff no one else can (even if it is because no one else has a shield in the first place).
But what makes BP different from non-super heroes? Why is BP a superhero but Hawkeye isn't? Heck, why isn't Okoye also a superhero considering that she does nearly as crazy stunts as Black Panther himself? Or lets turn that around. Why is Okoye no superhero but BP is?
 
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Ok serious question... why do you think Afro-Americans and African people are looking to this movie as some kind of blueprint to repair/fix the damage of colonism and slavery?
I don't know what other people think.
But it was notable to me that the movie made a point to say that people of African Descent have faced injustice and hardships in the entire world (somethnig that applies in-universe as in reality) and the Black Panther realizing that he has Wakanda has the ability to change it, because it's super-rich and super-advanced, it just needs to finally commit to it.
But Wakanda or a country like it doesn't really exist, so the movie shows us there is a problem that we need to deal with, but the solution it has in its own fiction isn't applicable to the real world.

Honestly it's more like it inspires African Americans and Africans because it's a representation of them not rooted in colonism, violent stereotypes and slavery... which, along with samboish comedy, seems to be the majority of representation of black and African people in mass media.
And maybe that is enough already? I think that alone might already a good accomplishment for a movie.

EDIT: Think of it in the same way that Captain America represents, and calls to an idealistic America that never really was... but no one is asking why white America thinks they can fix America by using the Cap movies as a blueprint...
I think Cap movies don't really seem to apply in the same manner, because they handle the issues they talk about differently (and usually far more indirectly refer to real world issues. The Sokovian Accords or HYDRA undermining SHIELD might stand in for something in our real world, but in universe-it's a superhero world problem that we don't have. Of course, Civil War did't really have a solution to its own problem - it's still unresolved, it seems.)
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
I think Cap movies don't really seem to apply in the same manner, because they handle the issues they talk about differently (and usually far more indirectly refer to real world issues. The Sokovian Accords or HYDRA undermining SHIELD might stand in for something in our real world, but in universe-it's a superhero world problem that we don't have. Of course, Civil War did't really have a solution to its own problem - it's still unresolved, it seems.)


Colonel Chester Phillips "General Patton has said that wars are fought with weapons but are won by men. Our goal is to create the greatest army in history. But every army begins with one man. He will be the first in a new breed of super-soldier. We are going to win this war because we have the best men. And they, personally, will escort Adolf Hitler to the gates of Hell."​
(Quote from Captain AMerica The First Avenger)​

Captain America is "just a skinny kid from Brooklyn" who gets beaten up by bullies but who is chosen to be the One Man who best serves America and is thus given great power beceause he deserves it. (contrast that to Killmonger as the kid from Oakland unjustly denied his heritage and reduced to beleiving in fairytales)

Thats the ideal being presented in Captain America, he represents the image of the good American, a soldier who is the One Man amongst Men, who respects people and stands up for what is right and good in the world. In WW2 those are the old time values of America that helped them win the war and become Great (tm)

The next two movies speak to the loss of those old values but Captain America is still the One Man who can stand up against the corruption of American Greatness seen in the Hydra infiltration of SHIELD and the 'unethical' Sokovia accords.
Here too Cap is contrasted with Tony Stark who is the capitalist, war profiteer (reformed) who proves that the private sector is better than Government (and the incompetent military) but who nonetheless has now aligned himself with 'big government' to trample your Rights (contrast here that TChalla as King of Wakanda is Big Government, but in the Wakandan utopia he is benevolent dictator)

The Captain America arc has had more time to gain more nuance in his story than the relatively simple Black Panther and the fact that there are more White Superheroes allows White society to be better explored via contrasting characters rather than via the allegorical depictions of Protagonist v Antagonist seen in Black Panther
 
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Ryujin

Legend
I have absolutely zero complaints about this movie. Wakanda was as I imagined a nation born in the Cradle of Humanity and which never suffered from a Dark age, colonialism, nor slavery would look. It looked like I imagined when I was reading the comics as a child. The more nuanced villain worked. The comedic notes worked. I'd call this one of Marvel's best movies.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Two things occur to me, on the day of Chadwick Boseman's passing:

1) This man made one Marvel movie, got a diagnosis of stage III cancer, and then went on to star in his own Marvel movie, and appear in two others, and do several other projects... all while battling that cancer. That is incredibly badass.

2) Talk of Black Panther 2 has probably been a polite fiction to protect Mr. Boseman's privacy. While perhaps contractual... it is still incredibly gracious and more than I'd expect from a major corporation.
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Two things occur to me, on the day of Chadwick Boseman's passing:

1) This man made one Marvel movie, got a diagnosis of stage III cancer, and then went on to star in his own Marvel movie, and appear in two others... all while battling that cancer. That is incredibly badass.

2) Talk of Black Panther 2 has probably been a polite fiction to protect Mr. Boseman's privacy. While perhaps contractual... it is still incredibly gracious and more than I'd expect from a major corporation.

I expect they do want to pursue the Black Panther franchise further...but what that looks like now, who knows. The James Bond treatment is the Marvel way.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
I expect they do want to pursue the Black Panther franchise further...but what that looks like now, who knows. The James Bond treatment is the Marvel way.

Possibly. They have the option of retiring the character without retiring the property, by having someone else take up the mantle.
 

Wishbone

Paladin Radmaster
I trust Ryan Coogler and his team will do what they think is right with that property if they want to continue and are allowed to do so by Disney. There can be another Black Panther movie if they want there to be one, but there can't be another Chadwick Boseman.
 

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