Black Panther Trailer

Imaro

Legend
Explore what exactly considering it has 0 relation to the real world?


Except that in England the queen is pretty much powerless while the power of the king in Wakanda is absolute. If you want to compare those two countries you have to compare the election of the prime minister to ritual, possibly deadly, combat with spears and clubs.
Absolute monarchies, the like of which Wakanda has, are rather rare nowadays. So if you want to compare Wakanda to a real world country you have to use Saudi-Arabia (and they do not use ritual combat).
And yes, England also has several archaic traditions, starting with the hostage and ending with the wicks judges wear. Still, such things are inconsequential while the combat in Wakanda not only have far flung consequences, it can also be deadly.

Honestly, it's getting kind of hard to follow your single minded defence of BP which includes defending the practice of choosing the head of state based on how good he is at bashing heads in.

You're just trolling now... aren't you?
 

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Imaro

Legend
I guess you do not want to answer, do you?

Answer what? On the one hand you say it doesn't matter to you what effect the movie had on people of color because that doesn't matter in determining whether it's a good movie... but then on the other hand you are certain it can't possibly be a machine or catalyst for people of color to explore the themes around an African country that was never colonized but... that's exactly the kind of conversation (among many others) that the movie has been sparking... which you'd probably realize if you cared about the effect it had on people that weren't you but you don't because that has no bearing on how good the movie is... see how ridiculous this is becoming.
 

Derren

Hero
Answer what? On the one hand you say it doesn't matter to you what effect the movie had on people of color because that doesn't matter in determining whether it's a good movie... but then on the other hand you are certain it can't possibly be a machine or catalyst for people of color to explore the themes around an African country that was never colonized but... that's exactly the kind of conversation (among many others) that the movie has been sparking... which you'd probably realize if you cared about the effect it had on people that weren't you but you don't because that has no bearing on how good the movie is... see how ridiculous this is becoming.

Ah I see were your problem is, you take things out of context to suit your needs.
It doesn't matter to me what political effects a movie has when I give my personal opinion if it is a good movie or not. If you scroll back and reread my post you might notice that this was the topic back then.
The entire discussion that I find it silly to base a exploration of real world issue on a completely fictional entertainment product has started much later and has nothing to do wheter I think how the BP movie was.
BP can serve as a catalyst to talk about the effects of colonization, but people have taken it farther than that and somehow use Wakanda as a role model or actual possibility (sans Vibranium) which in my eyes goes much too far.
 
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Things I liked:
- The plot managed to be mostly self contained and localized, especially the climax. Too many super-hero movies these days involve "the worst threat ever faced" and epic final battles that destroy entire cities. The final battle here was two small tribes, two humans battling in a small area, and less than a dozen airplanes in the background. But still meaningful and tense.
- The visuals. Good landscapes. Better than average CGI.
- The secondary characters. The generals and others were minor but well fleshed out.
- The handling of racial issues.
- Didn't waste too much time on the pointless romantic sub-plot.

Things I didn't like:
- The flow of time in storytelling. En media res - but it's a flashback, followed by events that happened in other movies, then the real plot, then flashbacks that conclude the en media res, then the real plot again. I swear linearity wasn't always this hard.
- The Wakandan city was way to big. Should have been maybe a quarter of the size shown.
- A super hero died! Oh, wait, he's alive.
- Salting (burning) the earth for no good in-universe reason. Clearly done just to prevent the question "Why don't they make more more Black Panthers?" in Infinity War.
- The stinger.

I'm generally burned out on super hero movies, but this was in the top 5 MCU movies for me.
 

BP can serve as a catalyst to talk about the effects of colonization, but people have taken it farther than that and somehow use Wakanda as a role model or actual possibility (sans Vibranium) which in my eyes goes much too far.

You should probably never watch Star Trek.
 

Derren

Hero
Things I liked:
- The plot managed to be mostly self contained and localized, especially the climax. Too many super-hero movies these days involve "the worst threat ever faced" and epic final battles that destroy entire cities. The final battle here was two small tribes, two humans battling in a small area, and less than a dozen airplanes in the background. But still meaningful and tense.

Thats especially important in a shared universe like the MCU as with a large threat the question is always why XYZ wouldn't show up.
 

Thats especially important in a shared universe like the MCU as with a large threat the question is always why XYZ wouldn't show up.

Definitely. It's also something the MCU has completely and utter failed at multiple times. Iron Man 3 comes to mind as the worst example. Why weren't more heroes able to help Tony? And why was the House Party Protocol never used again/before? Because it's an Iron Man movie. Civil War also failed in the other direction; it was supposed to be a Captain America movie but was really just Avengers without a couple expensive stars.

BP got this one right in a lot of ways.
 

Derren

Hero
Definitely. It's also something the MCU has completely and utter failed at multiple times. Iron Man 3 comes to mind as the worst example. Why weren't more heroes able to help Tony? And why was the House Party Protocol never used again/before? Because it's an Iron Man movie. Civil War also failed in the other direction; it was supposed to be a Captain America movie but was really just Avengers without a couple expensive stars.

BP got this one right in a lot of ways.

Civil War also introduced the Sakovia Accords which are especially problematic. Not in the movies but the TV series. Especially now as most of the Defenders are known superheroes and should have been, according to the Accords, already have been picked up.
 

Definetly a solid movie.

Killmonger was played excellent, and his cause and motive was just realistic enough that you could relate. And the
Well acted, decent special effects, and funny without being too banter filled or silly. And I loved the Wakandan technology, and the mix of science fiction weaponry with traditional tribal designs. Things like the airship shaped like a ritual mask. I like how they adapted the idea of Kimono card from Priest’s run of the comics with beads, which are more stylized.
I also dug how they managed to include Nakia, M’Baku the Man-Ape, Killmonger, and Klaw all in one movie.

The plot was pretty predictable all things considered. But it’s a Hollywood movies, and the response to The Last Jedi showed what happens when you dare to veer away from The Formula.

Plus it’s great for black kids to see heroes that look like them for a change. To have a movie that isn’t wall to wall white people. That’s great. While it has zero impact on me, as I possess basic human empathy I can be happy at the joy of others.
 

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