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Black Widow

MarkB

Legend
Nah. Bond never exhibits superhuman durability like Black Widow (he would survive falls like that through luck, landing on a hay-filled trailer or something, rather than bounce off a few metal railings, and then stand up again), and nothing even comes close to that final aerial showdown.
Pre-Daniel Craig Bond would get by on luck, but Daniel Craig regularly goes through some seriously bone-crunching action sequences.
 

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hopeless

Adventurer
In Casino Royale he went through the literal wringer!
It sounded like they should have revealed she carried some SHIELD tech that allowed her to slow her fall like some one use glider or force field projector so when she landed it drops to the ground expended and she's just winded instead of seriously hurt?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Pre-Daniel Craig Bond would get by on luck, but Daniel Craig regularly goes through some seriously bone-crunching action sequences.
Not even close to the feats in Black Widow though. The one might be a similar car crash — which put Bond out of action, but Widow climbed out and fought a supervillain.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Personally they're also right.
They've killed off Tony Stark, Cap has returned having lived all those years he spent returning to his past, Thor is out there travelling to recover from the massive losses as seen in Infinity Wars so what does that leave us?

Shang-Chi introduces the Mandarin an Iron Man villain, but he's dead I hear you say well make a movie set between Iron Man 1 and 2 or after 3 and use him in that movie!

Same goes for Black Widow, the character is dead in the present, but not the past!

What's stopping them from making such a movie in the near future but set before her death in Endgame?

There's nothing as far as I can see unless they think building the Thunderbolts the same way they built the Avengers will make them as much money.

Will it?
they dont even need time travel now, the multiverse allows them to have versions of the timeline where Stark or Black widow didnt die at all. If you've seen the What If ... trailers then we've already seen a non-Cap Variant of Steve Rogers.

However having Tony Stark back for another Iron Man movie would be bad form, it cheapens the impact of death in the MCU story arc.

Thunderbolts probably wont have the same cashcow potential as the Avengers but then I dont think Marvel will drop the Avengers anyway. The existence of the Spiderman movies has already proven that audiences can handle multiple teams and a new Avengers team is already being introduced alongside the Thunderbolts team,not to mention the promise of Fantastic 4 at the end of this new phase. As long as audiences keep buying its guaranteed that Disney will keep churning out product
 


Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Yeah someone on the team must actually think Thanos plan makes sense, because the film plays it as something that would work, but at an unacceptable cost.
And a complete lack of thought. If he lowered birthrates for a while, he could have brought the universe to half population without killing anyone. Or he could have used the gauntlet to create more resources, so the universe never runs out. His plan doesn't play as something that works at all.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
And a complete lack of thought. If he lowered birthrates for a while, he could have brought the universe to half population without killing anyone. Or he could have used the gauntlet to create more resources, so the universe never runs out. His plan doesn't play as something that works at all.
Well, he is called the Mad Titan.
 




Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
From a superhero fight standpoint, sure, he was largely comic - but then, he had been wasted in prison for 20 odd years, so what would you expect? He's not exactly in his prime.
But being a super soldier isn't his role in the movie. He fits a different narrative role, even if it is still somewhat comedic thanks to being so anachronistic.

I was amused by the reference to Ursa Major.
And the Crimson Dynamo.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I just wish someone had spoken up and said so in the movie. Have Starlord get a confused look on his face, and Spidey says, "How does halving people and resources do anything? I- I could get you a book by this guy Malthus-," and Tony'd go, "This isn't debate club," and then he'd shoot something at Thanos.
Star Lord is an idiot. But Spidey maybe.

But the main argument isn’t that resources were halved. It’s that population doubles every 50 years (insofar as we know Earth’s population was 3.5B in 1970 and it’s 7B now). So his solution merely delays the problem by 50 years.
 

The evidence of announced movies, and a few spoilers, come together for me to expect Marvel to build a Young Avengers, and for the Thunderbolts to show up as a group of antagonists in 2024, for Skrulls to do some invading maybe at the end of phase five in 2027, and then time travel multiverse Kang stuff to require a mega ultra crossover in 2030 that will result in the reboot of the MCU and Kevin Feige's retirement.
 

MarkB

Legend
I just wish someone had spoken up and said so in the movie. Have Starlord get a confused look on his face, and Spidey says, "How does halving people and resources do anything? I- I could get you a book by this guy Malthus-," and Tony'd go, "This isn't debate club," and then he'd shoot something at Thanos.
Yeah, there's a certain glossing-over of things like this in a few of the Marvel movies. I particularly wanted someone to call Tony Stark on his "hey look, a convenient way to not have to take moral responsibility for my actions" BS on the Serkovia accords in Civil War.

Made worse by him inducting Peter "Great Responsibility" Parker to fight on his side.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Star Lord is an idiot. But Spidey maybe.

But the main argument isn’t that resources were halved. It’s that population doubles every 50 years (insofar as we know Earth’s population was 3.5B in 1970 and it’s 7B now). So his solution merely delays the problem by 50 years.
Right, and if even Star Lord could see the flaw... :)
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Did I miss something in Black Widow? I thought at the very beginning of the movie she left her transmitter with her clothing for the General and his men to find, yet at the end she activates the transmitter.
 

MarkB

Legend
Did I miss something in Black Widow? I thought at the very beginning of the movie she left her transmitter with her clothing for the General and his men to find, yet at the end she activates the transmitter.
Fair point. Maybe she kept a note of the frequency.
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
And a complete lack of thought. If he lowered birthrates for a while, he could have brought the universe to half population without killing anyone. Or he could have used the gauntlet to create more resources, so the universe never runs out. His plan doesn't play as something that works at all.
Yeah it’s just a really foolish plan.
 

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