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[Dice4Hire]

With all their powers wizard powers, can a Wizard/Mage choose them?

This sounds like one of the oddest questions ever.

Can they take a wizard multi-class feat?

Good question. If so, what do they give up?

I will say that since essentials, multi-classing has been getting trivialized.

 

[Xris Robin]

With all their powers wizard powers, can a Wizard/Mage choose them?

Do they have levels? The at-wills don't, for instance. So, no.

Can they take a wizard multi-class feat?

No, because they ARE wizards. You can't multiclass into your own class.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

You are sure they had no idea for a bladesinger then? It is all a big conspiracy

With all their powers wizard powers, can a Wizard/Mage choose them?

Can they take a wizard multi-class feat?

hmh,

actually it could be interesting if a standard mage choses those powers. With staff focus you don´t have to worry about OAs.

Only sad thing: Attributes of a staff wizard usually don´t focus too much on DEX... but 13 is affordable which should suffice...

If you hybridize a wizard with an executioner however, you could make great use of those powers... (Fokus on DEX, dump int as much as possible)

edit: ok, no levels... so no
Good catch Mr. Robin

 

[DracoSuave]

A few things.

1. As written, this is a terrible controller. It lacks an at-will AoE, and while "hit dude A and dude B gets a debuff" is neat, it lacks the sheer power of what ever other non-Binder controller can do with their at-will powers. Moreover, Bladesong, their level 1 encounter power, does not do anything that controllers care about. It's not your job to deal damage or take hits, it's your job to control the goddamn battlefield.

'The Avenger isn't a defender, why is it getting defender levels of AC?'

The answer there is the same. The Bladesinger is a melee class. Melee classes require higher defensive capabilities than ranged classes. 'Controller' is less relevant to that discussion.

2. That said, the Bladesinger actually looks to be a very flavorful and fun striker. Bladesong sets them up for one hell of a nova round, and they can pick up MBA cheese / charge cheese for some serious damage potential

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Agreed. I see the bladesinger as more of a striker/controller hybrid than a straight controller.

3. Encounter powers as Daily Powers is something that I'm sure sounds a lot more mechanically viable on paper than it is in practice. Think about it: it's a big fight, so the party's bringing out the big guns. The Sorcerer is using Dazzling Ray. The Wizard drops a Flaming Sphere. The Fighter unloads a Lasting Threat. The Bladesinger? The best he's got is Ray of Enfeeblement. From what I see, the Bladesinger is actually better served by ignoring that feature entirely and focusing only on his at-wills.

I dunno there's some fairly decent encounter powers... knocking a bunch of guys prone before action point and charging in DOES sound pretty sweet, actually.

 

[SPECTRE666]

PG 67 in the Race section "Almost without exception, a bladesinger is either an Eladrin or an Elf."

So there still are "dumb" class racial restrictions...

 

[MrBeens]

PG 67 in the Race section "Almost without exception, a bladesinger is either an Eladrin or an Elf."

So there still are "dumb" class racial restrictions...

That is just fluff, there is nothing mechanically restricting the race. Even then the line says "almost without exception".

 

[Aegeri]

PG 67 in the Race section "Almost without exception, a bladesinger is either an Eladrin or an Elf."

Fluff = Who the hell cares?

Fluff is not rules. Unless there is an actual mechanical rule in there, the fluff is irrelevant and there isn't a racial restriction. This is so why I hate excessive fluff: People think they are magically rules when they are not.

 

[Phaezen]

Interesting class, a melee based controller, so higher (striker) hp and defences than a standard controller.

Bladespells make an interesting striker or control choice depending on the situation - extra damage and a condition to your current target or to another creature within range 10

The only problem may be the use Wizard encounter powers as dailies, but then again being able to use them in melee and given that many wizard encounter powers now have miss effects could be interesting.

 

[FireLance]

No, because they ARE wizards. You can't multiclass into your own class.

However, they could multiclass into swordmage. I wonder how their daily swapping would work: would they get a swordmage encounter, or a swordmage daily?

 

[herrozerro]

PG 67 in the Race section "Almost without exception, a bladesinger is either an Eladrin or an Elf."

So there still are "dumb" class racial restrictions...

No there are not, for an example look at the feywild guardian options for the knight, that has the restriction of you must be an eladrin. no such thing with the bladesinger.