[Bo9S] Ruby knight vindicator: clank, clank

[hong]

Anyone noticed that the ruby knight vindicator has Hide as a class skill, but not Move Silently? Similarly they get to ignore armour check penalties to Hide, but not MS.

Aside from that, what do people think of the RKV in general?

 

[Sejs]

I think that the picture of the RKV is holding his falchion the wrong way around.

 

[Shazman]

The class is probably one of the most intersting and useful PrC's int Tome of Battle. It's definitely one of the coolest divine PrC's out there. Divine spellcasting, plus maneuvers and two swift actions a round! Yes, please! I never even thought about Wee Jas at all before this beauty was created.

 

[brehobit]

The class is probably one of the most intersting and useful PrC's int Tome of Battle. It's definitely one of the coolest divine PrC's out there. Divine spellcasting, plus maneuvers and two swift actions a round! Yes, please! I never even thought about Wee Jas at all before this beauty was created.

It's actaully weaker than it looks. The inability of the PrCs to swap maneuvers drops them by a LOT compared to their base-class peers.

That said I really like the RKV. But when you build one, you see that it's fairly balanced (compared to the Bo9S base-classes, which are quite powerful IMO)

Mark

 

[RigaMortus2]

It's actaully weaker than it looks. The inability of the PrCs to swap maneuvers drops them by a LOT compared to their base-class peers.

Mark

Can you explain what you mean by this?

All ToB classes can swap maneuvers, they just need to spend 5 minutes outside of combat to do so. Or if they have Adaptive Style, they can swap (Ready) new maneuvers as a Full-Round Action (so you can do so during combat). Unless you mean something different by "inability to swap maneuvers"???

 

[hong]

I guess what he means is that the base ToB classes can change maneuvers known every other level. Eg you use insightful strike until you hit 12th level, when you swap it for greater insightful strike. The PrCs don't have this feature, or at least it's not made explicit.

 

[RigaMortus2]

I guess what he means is that the base ToB classes can change maneuvers known every other level. Eg you use insightful strike until you hit 12th level, when you swap it for greater insightful strike. The PrCs don't have this feature, or at least it's not made explicit.

Ahhh, yes. That's true. But I beleive that is true with all the PrCs, not just RKV. I houserule that the PrCs are allowed to swap maneuvers.

 

[brehobit]

Ahhh, yes. That's true. But I beleive that is true with all the PrCs, not just RKV. I houserule that the PrCs are allowed to swap maneuvers.

Just keep in mind that provides a _huge_ power up to the PrCs. A crusader basically gets 2 of each level of maneuver. So at 6th level he will have 2 3rd, 2 2nd, and X 1st level maneuvers (if he always takes the highest available). A RKV gets only 1 of each level. It is a VERY significant (and I think needed) power limitation on the PrCs in the Bo9S.

Mark

 

[Piratecat]

One alternative might be the PHB2 retraining rules, perhaps? That would allow you to change one strike per level, if you change nothing else.

 

[Nifft]

One alternative might be the PHB2 retraining rules, perhaps? That would allow you to change one strike per level, if you change nothing else.

Wouldn't you only be able to trade your e.g. 3rd level maneuver for another maneuver that you qualified for at 3rd level?

The base Martial Adepts can swap their 3rd level maneuver at 8th level for any maneuver they qualify for at 8th level (e.g. a 2nd level maneuver can be traded for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th level maneuver).

Big power up. Basically doubles the number of high-level maneuvers you get.

Cheers, -- N