BOEF vs. BORF

[DaveMage]

As far as ArthurQ is concerned, I think it's highly likely that he's turning away the people who are sitting on the fence about this book with his ranting and raving.

I may be one of those people. I was originally going to buy the book, but the discussions on these boards lately have (almost) convinced me not to. I'm still on the fence, but, the more I think about it, I'm disappointed with the attitude that has been quoted above. I read the Valar boards occasionally, and while I support Valar's right to publish the BoEF, I'm not so happy with the way it's being promoted here (as others have stated).

I was certainly going to buy it for collector's sake if they had gotten it out as a d20 product (since I'm well aware it probably wouldn't have lasted very long as such), but now that it's simply published under the open gaming license (as GUCK or Nymphology), some of the appeal has worn off.

I'm still debating, but since there are so many other products out there that I'd rather have (and since there is no longer a rush to get this before the d20 license is revoked), I probably will wait a while if I buy it at all.

 

[reiella]

I was certainly going to buy it for collector's sake if they had gotten it out as a d20 product (since I'm well aware it probably wouldn't have lasted very long as such), but now that it's simply published under the open gaming license (as GUCK or Nymphology), some of the appeal has worn off.

Just a quick clarification, Nymphology is published under the D20 STL.

And the GUCk was either originally going to be under the d20 or Fan site/fair use license, I'm not sure currently.

 

[DaveMage]

Just a quick clarification, Nymphology is published under the D20 STL.

I believe that it *was* published under the d20 licence, but if you check it out now on the Mongoose website, the d20 is strangely missing (it used to be on the cover picture).

However, for those of you who are interested in obtaining a free copy of the BoEF preview (now OGL-only), visit FRP games - they are giving it away for free. Shipping charges still apply though.

 

[Djeta Thernadier]

Well, I picked that the name would not influence me.

Although I have to say the word (and subject) erotic interests me a lot more than the word (and subject) romance.

I think the word romance would turn a lot of people off, although it might make the people who think sex has no place in gaming more open to the idea of inter character intimate relationships in game.

When I think of the word romace I admit I tend to think of those nauseating soap opera type cheesy novels with Fabio on the cover dressed as a pirate. Or a horribly dull romantic comedy that my mom would probably enjoy. Now, I know I'm going to take some heat for this but I think the word "romance" could perhaps turn off some of the male RPG players the authors were targeting. Romance tends to be marketed towards women.

When I think of the word erotic I think raw, passion, emotion, physical, exciting.
Erotica on the other hand is usually marketed towards both genders pretty much equally. There are a lot of books of erotica written by and marketed towards women, and many women consider erotica to be a valid and interesting genre.

But of course, as we know, in real life, the erotica and romance are often connected.

Then there are those confused people who think erotica = porn. I don't know what I can say about that , other than I strongly disagree. Erotica is almost always tasteful. Porn is usually just done for shock value. The line between the two I guess is a matter of personal opinion.

Interesting poll & thought provoking question...

 

[blackshirt5]

While I might once have wanted to pick this book up, even if just for giggles, AQ's spam disguised as pimping has pretty much turned me off the the Book of Erotic Fantasy(pun intended).

Djeta-Brave soul, posting in an AQ thread; shall we begin the countdown until he starts saying creepy things?

 

[fusangite]

Djeta Thernadier says,

Then there are those confused people who think erotica = porn. I don't know what I can say about that , other than I strongly disagree. Erotica is almost always tasteful. Porn is usually just done for shock value. The line between the two I guess is a matter of personal opinion.

The idea that pornography and erotica are separate categories is something I would dispute. Erotica is a subset of pornography, also called soft-core porn. I happen to prefer soft-core porn to hard-core porn but to label soft-core porn "erotica" and hard-core porn as "porn," misses the basic point of pornography. A work is pornographic if its purpose is to induce sexual arousal in those reading or viewing it by depicting a sexually-charged situation; the conflation of pornographic with distasteful is a real mistake if we want to speak precisely about these things. The friends I have who like harder-core porn are not into it because of the shock value it produces but because of the sexual arousal it produces.

For a more flippant, facile expression of what I'm saying, some famous person (I cannot find the quotation right now and therefore cannot credit it) stated, "The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting."

Anyway, welcome back to the boards Djeta; you have been missed.

 

[Teflon Billy]

...Then there are those confused people who think erotica = porn.

They aren't confused at all, and as the line of quoted text below shows you understand this.

The line between the two I guess is a matter of personal opinion.

Interesting poll & thought provoking question...

I guess we'll draw our lines about what is "Thought Provoking" and "Interesting" a little differently here.

In my opinion "Do you think the BoEF would do better with the word romantic in there?" is neither.

 

[pogre]

Art Q. - how is BoEF going to positively impact your game?

The only positive argument I have seen for buying this book is an extended 1st Amendment argument.

I would no more try to stop this book than say an "S & M" manual. I don't get it, but as long as it is not hurting anybody (who does not want to be hurt ) I think that's fine.

I like the current title because it makes it clear this is not for kids. Like it or not Erotic=Porn in the mainstream - so great title.

 

[Kai Lord]

Then there are those confused people who think erotica = porn.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=erotica
e·rot·i·ca ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rt-k)
pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
Literature or art intended to arouse sexual desire.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pornography
por·nog·ra·phy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pôr-ngr-f)
n.
Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
The presentation or production of this material.

I don't know what I can say about that , other than I strongly disagree. Erotica is almost always tasteful. Porn is usually just done for shock value.

In other words, "erotica" is porn you like, and "porn" is porn you don't.

 

[Teflon Billy]

...shame on Hunter1828 and ArthurQ for perpetuating all of this deliberately in an effort to what... suck up to Valar while badmouthing this community on some other boards and give Valar some free press? That's pretty despicable.

To be fair Harlock, Hunter 1828 said nothing in that thread disparaging EN World posters.

So, here's my last post to anything concerning the BoEF and/or Valar and encouragement for others to ignore Valar and the two "Valar Stooges" who've taken it upon themselves to take us all on their contemptable, book-pimping road trip.

Book pimping!