Book of the Righteous Dethroned!

[Numion]

There is nothing wrong with the occasional bad review as long as they are honestly meant and clearly explained. What I find kind of annoying now, is the pattern of going back and getting 3-4 year old products, which are not as slick as new products, and reviewing them by current standards. In some cases they are not even still on shelves.

It is like reviewing Jaws this week and saying the shark looks cheesy.

3-4 years ago? Wasn't the book published 8/2002, two years ago? At least thats when the first reviews are dated on the reviews site ..

 

[d20Dwarf]

There's never going to be an RPG book that appeals to everyone. Just because nobody has written a less-than-5 review for a book doesn't mean that everyone thinks the book is a 5. Books like BotR and Midnight are just lucky that people that don't like them aren't reviewing them...until now. It doesn't mean the reviewer is attacking the book, or trying to affect its rating...it just means he is of a different opinion than the other reviewers. It's not a competition.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Who said it was 'utter trash'? No need to exaggerate here. The book was given 2/5. That's poor or below average. Not 1/5 or 'utter trash'.

I didn't exaggerate, that would be my opinion of a book I paid 40 bucks for and never used in the sighted over 2 years, and I'm sure not trying to put words in anyone mouth. (other than my own.)

I'm speaking more generally and not about this review in particular.

That's not what I got from the part I quoted... This was the post before yours:

It sounded like he did, though. For example, one of his complaints was that the Holy Warrior was too frontloaded - but that's a remnant of the fact that the 3.0 paladin was frontloaded as well.

and then yours:

frontloaded is frontloaded, no matter what the edition. Just because the paladin was like that doesn't make it any better.

I wasn't alone cause Psion "basically" said the same thing I said:

True, but the paladin was the standard. A standard that it would have to compare to if people were going to take the class seriously.

but all that said, err quoted, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you where conveying and for that I apologize.

And powercreep might have become the norm, that doesn't mean we have to accept it and expect it.

I pretty much agree... I couldn't build a smack down PC if I tried, I'm much more of a flavor type of guy.

 

[Toll Carom]

Frankly, the best part of the book (by far!) is the excellent cover. The rest was useless to me. In fact, if not for the cover, I'd have sold it for $2 + shipping on EBay long ago.

Jesus, man, ease up on the hot sauce, why don't ya. You may not like the book, and it may indeed be "useless" for you in your game, but the fact remains that A) a lot of people (myself included) have found at least *some* use for the product - enough use, in fact, to justify the cost, and B) a number of good folks put a lot of good work in to produce that book.

A little consideration of either or both of these points would do wonders.

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CAS

 

[CRGreathouse]

Jesus, man, ease up on the hot sauce, why don't ya. You may not like the book, and it may indeed be "useless" for you in your game, but the fact remains that A) a lot of people (myself included) have found at least *some* use for the product - enough use, in fact, to justify the cost, and B) a number of good folks put a lot of good work in to produce that book.

A little consideration of either or both of these points would do wonders.

I dispute neither A) nor B), but they're not relevant to the statement of mine you quoted. Since I have had no use for it other than admiring the cover (arguably the best cover on any d20 product), I would have sold it at a $30 loss except for said cover.

I might yet sell it, but I do so like that cover.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

There's never going to be an RPG book that appeals to everyone. Just because nobody has written a less-than-5 review for a book doesn't mean that everyone thinks the book is a 5.

I couldn't agree more and I think most people feel that way so once again I'm not sure why so many people are reacting so harshly to CRGreathouse. :\

Books like BotR and Midnight are just lucky that people that don't like them aren't reviewing them...until now.

I just hope you didn’t curse yourself their Wil... (knock on wood)

I might yet sell it, but I do so like that cover.

You know... The one thing I don't like about the book is the cover artwork.

 

[Numion]

Jesus, man, ease up on the hot sauce, why don't ya. You may not like the book, and it may indeed be "useless" for you in your game, but the fact remains that A) a lot of people (myself included) have found at least *some* use for the product - enough use, in fact, to justify the cost, and B) a number of good folks put a lot of good work in to produce that book.

A little consideration of either or both of these points would do wonders.

Personal reviews in d20 reviews section should be just that, personal. I read a lot of the reviews, and if the rules were that you can't disagree once enough 5's have been given to a product, they would become much more useless.

Reviews aren't about a lot of people getting use from it - Scooby Doo got a lot of viewers too. And what if good people put good work in to producing that book? I'm intrested in the end product, not the production which I'm not going to be part of anyway.

 

[BSF]

Jesus, man, ease up on the hot sauce, why don't ya. You may not like the book, and it may indeed be "useless" for you in your game, but the fact remains that A) a lot of people (myself included) have found at least *some* use for the product - enough use, in fact, to justify the cost, and B) a number of good folks put a lot of good work in to produce that book.

A little consideration of either or both of these points would do wonders.

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CAS

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with this. It's a review. As soon as I hear of a reviewer saying anything similar to this in their assessment, they have lost their relevancy.

Imagine a movie reviewer saying something like "I thought the movie was terrible. The plot was jerky and hard to follow. The special effects were bad by standards set 30 years ago. The actors delivered their lines unemotionally. I couldn't feel any empathy for the characters. But, I know the producer tried hard and the lead actress is really nice, so I gave it an 8/10 review."

General popularity and hard work from the creative team are nice. But they have no place in a review.

 

[CRGreathouse]

I couldn't agree more and I think most people feel that way so once again I'm not sure why so many people are reacting so harshly to CRGreathouse. :\

I knew it was a touchy subject, that's why I had Crothian review it first. As I said to him, I knew I had to dot my 'i's and cross my 't's....

You know... The one thing I don't like about the book is the cover artwork.

The original is better, in my opinion as well as the artist's:
http://www.imphead.com/port/cp/cp4.html

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I knew it was a touchy subject, that's why I had Crothian review it first. As I said to him, I knew I had to dot my 'i's and cross my 't's....

True... but disagreeing with someone is no reason to be rude to them. :\

The original is better, in my opinion as well as the artist's.

As is my opinion, I like it more so now but I still think that some of the line art within its pages is better. My personal favorite is Aymara on page 149...

I at one time new the artist’s name, as I recognize it from alot of GR's products, but it escapes me now. :\